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Titanic 1997 questions...

i enjoy threads such as these. could anyone point me to similar threads?
 
I looked, but it didn't give me any results?

By the way, does anyone know how Titanic was special regarding being able to stay afloat with 4 compartments? How is this different to other ships?


It used Fairy Dust.
Can someone explain to me why I'm such a troll magnet?

Because your threads are never discussions, they are requests for information. You want others to do the work of research for you instead of doing it yourself. You don't care what others think about the subject as long as they answer your questions. There's no benefit for any other human being to answer these questions. Sure, they might have done it at first to be nice, but, after the 10th thread asking only questions, they got tired of it.

Do me a favor. Read the wikipedia article about the RMS Titanic. Post here summarizing what it says about the safety features. Tell me what else you would like to know (be specific) either as a followup to information listed or where you think information that should be there was omitted.

If you do that, the thread would actually be helpful to others besides yourself because everyone else will learn from what you post. They might even have things they don't understand and ask you questions or they might have their own thoughts or comments about the information provided. Either way, it would become a two-way street, not a one way request for information.
 
Also, how did the ice penetrate steel?

Thanks!

There's been some argument it was low-quality steel that wasn't very resilient to the arctic temperatures in the North Atlantic. IIRC the berg didn't "penetrate" the steel so much as it just broke through a seam between panels which, again, was exasperated by the cold conditions and possibly low-quality steel.

I'm not sure what you want to know about the pumps. Pumps are designed to move things, usually liquids, from one place to another. The pumps on the Titanic, as one might expect, were able to move water from flooded areas back out to sea. So long as the incoming water was less than the rate the pumps could work the pumps would be effective in conditions where the ship was being flooded with water. (Most likely in small leak conditions, or where storms had gotten water onto the ship.) The pumps weren't designed to prevent sinking in the case of a hull breach.

The ship had more water-tight compartments than most other ships of the time. It wasn't thought that more were needed. The ship was designed to be able to stay afloat with the water-tight compartments completely flooded. The impact with the iceberg breached beyond the water-tight compartments and into the forward most compartment that was not water-tight. Then, as explained in the movie (TWICE, in fact), the water flooded the fourth compartment which spilled over the water tight ones and took the ship down. As the compartments filled with water and the bow of the ship got heavier and heavier it began to sink causing the stern to rise higher and higher into the air. (The stern never really flooded) The stress of having to hold the stern in the air caused the keel to break, splitting the ship, and begin to flood as water rushed in. The bow went down almost completely flooded.

The stern went down not completely flooded but obviously flooded enough to sink but as it sank the crushing weight of the water on the air-filled stern crushed it as it descended to the ocean floor. (This is why the bow is mostly intact and the stern is a crushed messed.)

R&W: You're not liked, as has been said, because you only post threads like this. Asking questions trying to get people to do research for you, learn things for you, and report back results. You want us to be your personal PAs. You don't really "discuss" things, talk over things, etc. You ask a question and expect answers to help you out.

That's not the kind of relationship we're really into at this point in our lives.

Typing a question like "how did Titanic's pumps work" into Google nets several results not the least of which is the Wikipedia article for the ship. Searching for the word "pump" in the article gets you to this paragraph:

Within only 45 minutes of the collision, at least 13,500 long tons (13,700 t) of water had entered the ship. This was far too much for Titanic's ballast and bilge pumps to handle; the total pumping capacity of all the pumps combined was only 1,700 long tons (1,700 t) per hour. Seawater was pouring into Titanic 15 times faster than it could be pumped out. Andrews informed the captain that the ship was doomed and that she could remain afloat for no longer than about two hours.

Want to know what a "bilge pump" is?

Wikipedia:

A bilge pump is a water pump used to remove bilge water. Since fuel can be present in the bilge, electric bilge pumps are designed to not cause sparks. Electric bilge pumps are often fitted with float switches which turn on the pump when the bilge fills to a set level. Since bilge pumps can fail, use of a backup pump is often advised. The primary pump is normally located at the lowest point of the bilge, while the secondary pump would be located somewhat higher. This ensures that the secondary pump activates only when the primary pump is overwhelmed or fails, and keeps the secondary pump free of the debris in the bilge that tends to clog the primary pump.

What is the bilge? Wikipedia:

The bilge is the lowest compartment on a ship, below the waterline, where the two sides meet at the keel.

What is bilge water? From the same article:

The word is sometimes also used to describe the water that collects in this area. Water that does not drain off the side of the deck drains down through the ship into the bilge. This water may be from rough seas, rain, leaks in the hull or stuffing box, or other interior spillage. The collected water must be pumped out to prevent the bilge from becoming too full and threatening to sink the ship.

See how the internet works?
 
Final Jeopardy's Category right now is The Titanic. Maybe it'll be about pumps!
 
The Titanic had a sister ship, almost an exact copy of it, called Olympia, I believe. It was a luxury liner, for a while, but was then pressed into service, during World War II as a hospital ship, I believe. Never sunk, it was eventually dismantled, unfortunately, and sold for scrap. It may be worth looking into that ship, though, because there are surprisingly few photographs of the Titanic and of its interior, especially. Olympia mirrored it almost to the last detail. In any case, all of this is neither here, nor there, as the movie Titanic - and it's own legacy - have created so much tourism around it, that the wreck is crumbling, as we speak. It probably won't be around in another 20 years, or so ...
 
The Titanic had a sister ship, almost an exact copy of it, called Olympia, I believe. It was a luxury liner, for a while, but was then pressed into service, during World War II as a hospital ship, I believe. Never sunk, it was eventually dismantled, unfortunately, and sold for scrap. It may be worth looking into that ship, though, because there are surprisingly few photographs of the Titanic and of its interior, especially. Olympia mirrored it almost to the last detail. In any case, all of this is neither here, nor there, as the movie Titanic - and it's own legacy - have created so much tourism around it, that the wreck is crumbling, as we speak. It probably won't be around in another 20 years, or so ...

RMS Olympic, apparently. A quick scan does not make it clear that it was built exactly like the Titanic, but it was a White Star ship. You might be thinking of HMHS Britannic, which was a Titanic sister ship. It however, sunk. Not from an iceberg but from a German torpedo.

On a side note, White Star was eventually bought out by Carnival, which owns Costa. So all the shitty cruiseline accidents recently can trace their origin to the same people responsible for the Titanic.
 
The Titanic had a sister ship, almost an exact copy of it, called Olympia, I believe. It was a luxury liner, for a while, but was then pressed into service, during World War II as a hospital ship, I believe. Never sunk, it was eventually dismantled, unfortunately, and sold for scrap. It may be worth looking into that ship, though, because there are surprisingly few photographs of the Titanic and of its interior, especially. Olympia mirrored it almost to the last detail. In any case, all of this is neither here, nor there, as the movie Titanic - and it's own legacy - have created so much tourism around it, that the wreck is crumbling, as we speak. It probably won't be around in another 20 years, or so ...

RMS Olympic, apparently. A quick scan does not make it clear that it was built exactly like the Titanic, but it was a White Star ship. You might be thinking of HMHS Britannic, which was a Titanic sister ship. It however, sunk. Not from an iceberg but from a German torpedo.

On a side note, White Star was eventually bought out by Carnival, which owns Costa. So all the shitty cruiseline accidents recently can trace their origin to the same people responsible for the Titanic.

The Olympic actually came first. Her and the Titanic were identical in every way, save some differences in the cabin layout on the upper decks of her superstructure. On a technical level, they were the same ship.

The Britannic was built after the sinking of the Titanic, and incorporated improvements learned after the sinking of the Titanic, including an extended double bottom to the hull, and watertight compartments that rose much higher within the ship then they did in the Titanic and Olympic. She was also outfitted with massive gantry davits to allow lifeboats on one side of the ship to be swung over to the other side if an emergency called for it. She was requisitioned by the British navy during WWI and never served as a passenger liner. She was sunk by a presumed German mine in the Mediterranean in 1916.

Here is the wiki page for the Olympic Class Liner, which the Titanic was a member of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_class_ocean_liner

A rule of ship names from that era of shipping. All the White Star Liners ended in -ic, while Cunards vessels ended in -ia, as in the case with the famous Mauritania and Lusitania.
 
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