Tired of Enterprise D not using their firepower

[Lance]

lol this thread reminds me. I was watching a DS9 battle sequence last night where a Galaxy class ship was involved, and it showed it firing phasers from multiple phaser emitters at the same time. I remember being somewhat stunned, as I can't recall that happening in TNG.

The TNG Technical Manual makes notes that the Galaxy Class is a heavily modular design, that can be adapted for very different purposes from ship to ship. One fan theory I've heard is that 1701-D had a mission statement that downplayed it's battle readiness (hence families on board; less armaments; greater emphasis on things like stellar cartography and accomodations for diplomats; etc), whereas all the Galaxies we see on DS9 have been stripped right down to purely being battle cruisers, and are accordingly armed up the wazoo with additional firepower that 1701-D wasn't.

 

[tafkats]

If I was Captain I would launch as many torpedos as possible at all times during battle.

Not sure why all the hesitation.

Stupid and unrealistic.

Dayton?

 

[EnriqueH]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

In short, Generations could've been better.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

In fact, now that I think about it, I was always disappointed that the E-D and the badass Romulan warbird never went mano-a-mano, at least that I recall.

I remember thinking that the Romulan warbird looked ultra menacing and may even kick the Enterprise's ass, so I'm disappointed we never got to see a full on, drag out battle between the two. All we got were ominous decloakings and the occasional blowing up of a freighter.

We finally would have gotten that in Generations until they dumped the scene for a high-seas officer promotion instead. We didn't get to see Galaxies in pitched battle until DS9 unfortunately.

Absolutely. Early story break-downs had the Enterprise arriving to rescue the Armagosa observatory from an attack, flying heroically into battle and scaring off the Romulan ships. Maybe it's just as well that this scene got cut, though, as it would've made the 1701-D being taken down later by some lame-ass century-old Klingon P-O-S seem like even more of a kick in the gut.

Generations would've been better overall in that department had they just eliminated the Klingons from the plot entirely and replaced them with the Romulans. The trilithium Soran needs belongs to them, and they could have struck a deal where he "weaponizes" it for them, while also getting to use some of it for his own plans. This way you'd have the Enterprise-D facing a D'deridex-class warbird, with Tomalak as their opponent, instead of the comedy Klingons we ended up with.

 

[Lance]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

This isn't entirely true: Troi crashes the ship.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

In short, Generations could've been better.

Good point.

 

[Silvercrest]

Tired of Enterprise D not using their firepower

You're tired of it? I hope you're not waiting for things to improve.

 

[Kevman7987]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

In short, Generations could've been better.

Good point.

Hey! Troi did do something! She crashed the saucer into Veridian III!

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

In short, Generations could've been better.

Good point.

Hey! Troi did do something! She crashed the saucer into Veridian III!

Look she did have all of about two minutes of onscreen time during TNG where she was trying to become qualified at helm. The only other option was for Riker himself, someone called one of the best pilots in Starfleet, to take the helm.

Seems like the right call to me.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

In short, Generations could've been better.

You forgot to mention that Picard a man that, despite his slender build, was shown to be a capable fighter who could take on larger opponents, got his ass completely handed to him by 103 year old Malcolm McDowell.

 

[Ithekro]

The Galaxy-class had I believe 11 phaser stripes, plus one more in the stardrive's bow. The two main phasers in the top and bottom of the saucer. Two on the rear of the head of the stardrive (rear of the saucer). four at the aft end of the ship (two on top and two on bottom). One on each nacelle pylon. And one on the under side of the stardrive section.

So baring multiple beams out of single strips, that means Enterprise can engage 11 separate targets with all her phasers (if the enemy manages to surround her). 12 if she separates.

The upgraded Galaxy-class ships in the Dominion War had two additional phasers on the top of the nacelles.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I think the large rings on the saucer were supposed to have more than one emitter.

Hell, for the Dominion War, stick a couple more in each ring.

 

[Ithekro]

During the Dominion War we saw a Galaxy using one emitter firing two beams at once.

 

[EnriqueH]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

In short, Generations could've been better.

You forgot to mention that Picard a man that, despite his slender build, was shown to be a capable fighter who could take on larger opponents, got his ass completely handed to him by 103 year old Malcolm McDowell.

I forgot about that.

The Kirk-Picard reunion, if you think about it, is basically like that 80s movie "The Bodyguard", where the kid gets the older kid to protect him. Picard can't beat up Soran, so he gets Kirk to beat him up for him.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Riker didn't come off very well, but in his defense, he's in good company because NOBODY came off well in Generations.

Picard cries, Riker loses the Enterprise-D, the Enterprise-D gets trashed, Data turns into a sniveling wimp, LaForge gets tortured, Worf does nothing, Beverly does nothing, Troi does nothing, Guinan talks about echoes, and Kirk falls off a bridge and dies.

In short, Generations could've been better.

You forgot to mention that Picard a man that, despite his slender build, was shown to be a capable fighter who could take on larger opponents, got his ass completely handed to him by 103 year old Malcolm McDowell.

I forgot about that.

The Kirk-Picard reunion, if you think about it, is basically like that 80s movie "The Bodyguard", where the kid gets the older kid to protect him. Picard can't beat up Soran, so he gets Kirk to beat him up for him.

Yep. And of course it contradicted everything we believed from 7 seasons of TNG. That Picard, even though he wasn't a fight first kind of guy and wasn't exactly built like Swartzenegger, was a guy that you didn't want to screw with because, when push came to shove, he could handle himself well in a brawl.

And it's not like McDowell did some cheap shot like he sucker punched him in the back in the head or kicked him in the nuts. He and Picard faced off fair and square and Malcolm pummeled him. I can't even remember if Picard even got in one good shot.

It's not like the race he and Guinan were had super strength compared to humans like Vulcans. If that were the case he would have whipped Kirk's ass too, but Kirk took care of him pretty handily.

Seriously it's like when they made this movie they said what is the best kind of film we can make to make every character from TNG either look the total opposite of what they were on the show, or be totally unimportant and play no significant role at all.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Tired of Enterprise D not using their firepower

You're tired of it? I hope you're not waiting for things to improve.

That would be a long wait.

 

[Lance]

Seriously it's like when they made this movie they said what is the best kind of film we can make to make every character from TNG either look the total opposite of what they were on the show, or be totally unimportant and play no significant role at all.

I thought I'd apply this to the litmus test, and yes, you're right.

Picard: In the series: a shrewd tactician who could definitely handle himself in a fight when he needed to. In the movie: an feeble old man who gets his ass handed to him. (For all the amount of criticism that First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis get for "changing" Picard's character into an action hero, the irony is that the Picard in those movies is all much more in keeping with the man we actually saw on The Next Generation TV series.)

Riker: In the series: the man who single-handedly saved the Federation from a Borg threat that allegedly descimated a good part of the fleet. In the movie: commanded the ship to its grave at the hands of a piece-of-shit century old Bird-Of-Prey, that was so crap it got blown apart by a single torpedo, but which still managed to take down a Galaxy Class ship with what seems to have been a lucky shot in the right place. Lame.

Data: In the series: sympathetic android, everybody's pal, ultra-strong, unable to feel emotions, but through this lack of emotions possibly the most human character of them all. In the movie: the comic relief.

Geordi: In the series: the compentant chief engineer and best friend of Data. In the movie: can't fix some shitty coolant leak, and has a stick up his ass about Data pushing Crusher into the drink by telling him it "wasn't funny" (when, quite clearly, it was actually very funny indeed ).

We could go on. But let's not.

 

[Jedi_Master]

It's almost as if William Shatner wrote the script himself.

 

[Lance]

Shatner's first story meeting with Braga, Berman and Moore was him sitting in a chair, looking sullen, and then blurting out: "Kirk... isn't... INTEGRAL to, the script!".

One rewrite later, and Kirk still wasn't particularly integral to the script, but neither too were any of the TNG characters.

 

[Marsden]

Seriously it's like when they made this movie they said what is the best kind of film we can make to make every character from TNG either look the total opposite of what they were on the show, or be totally unimportant and play no significant role at all.

I thought I'd apply this to the litmus test, and yes, you're right.

Picard: In the series: a shrewd tactician who could definitely handle himself in a fight when he needed to. In the movie: an feeble old man who gets his ass handed to him. (For all the amount of criticism that First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis get for "changing" Picard's character into an action hero, the irony is that the Picard in those movies is all much more in keeping with the man we actually saw on The Next Generation TV series.)

Riker: In the series: the man who single-handedly saved the Federation from a Borg threat that allegedly descimated a good part of the fleet. In the movie: commanded the ship to its grave at the hands of a piece-of-shit century old Bird-Of-Prey, that was so crap it got blown apart by a single torpedo, but which still managed to take down a Galaxy Class ship with what seems to have been a lucky shot in the right place. Lame.

Data: In the series: sympathetic android, everybody's pal, ultra-strong, unable to feel emotions, but through this lack of emotions possibly the most human character of them all. In the movie: the comic relief.

Geordi: In the series: the compentant chief engineer and best friend of Data. In the movie: can't fix some shitty coolant leak, and has a stick up his ass about Data pushing Crusher into the drink by telling him it "wasn't funny" (when, quite clearly, it was actually very funny indeed ).

We could go on. But let's not.

Great post, Lance.

Too bad it's only pointing out bad things.