Tinman

[Finn]

For twitter addicts?

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

Interesting.

I'm not necessarily meaning you, though, fireproof78.

Can neither confirm nor deny, since this is the first time I've ever heard of an "XA meeting".

What is it?

It's just a generic term, referring to any 'Anonymous' group (Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, etc.).

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

Can neither confirm nor deny, since this is the first time I've ever heard of an "XA meeting".

What is it?

It's just a generic term, referring to any 'Anonymous' group (Alcoholics Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, etc.)

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

For twitter addicts?

Virtually any of these such message sites.

 

[HotRod]

The fuck is this thread?

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not necessarily meaning you, though, fireproof78.

I would encourage patience since the person who helped write part of the script posts on this board. Maybe not lash out with accusations of substance or other such uses without knowledge?

The fuck is this thread?

An Anonymous meeting.

 

[Silvercrest]

As it seems with these sites: The posters seemingly don't know much, but make unsubstantiated, inconsistent remarks, anyway.

Guy, at least, is a pretty insightful (not to mention often hilarious) poster.

Are all these sites so awash in such apparent mental illness? That's been my experience and such as I've often heard ... I should have known going on here was but a fool's folly. I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of people on these sites also go to XA meetings, lots. There sure are marked similarities.

An acquaintance said there are too many whom only wish to provoke and engage in invective.

And? One of your first acts here was to make questionable remarks about the majority of other posters. Your acquaintance may be right.

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

I would encourage patience since the person who helped write part of the script posts on this board. Maybe not lash out with accusations of substance or other such uses without knowledge?

An Anonymous meeting.

And so how would I be lacking any knowledge? I saw a discontinuity in the story and merely pointed it out. If the guy who wrote it wants to parley, I accept it, regardless of whether he posts here, or not, as that is a matter of small moment to me. Need I address him as 'Your Grace,' or something?

 

[fireproof78]

And so how would I be lacking any knowledge? I saw a discontinuity in the story and merely pointed it out. If the guy who wrote it wants to parley, I accept it, regardless of whether he posts here, or not, as that is a matter of small moment to me. Need I address him as 'Your Grace,' or something?

I'm trying to figure out the discontinuity though? It's not a discontinuity to have a code name that doesn't align with the subject. That's my overall point. Thematically it might be a discontinuity but as a code name? I don't see it.

However, since we have the opportunity to learn, I would be curious to hear the writers thoughts as to the rationale behind it. It's always fun to hear that part of the writing process and learn what the thinking was.

Heck, it could be as simple as they had a list of names for different ideas and picked the "T" one, like how MASH would call nurses "Nurse Able" (letter A), "Nurse Baker" (letter B), for one off announcements.

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

I'm trying to figure out the discontinuity though? It's not a discontinuity to have a code name that doesn't align with the subject. That's my overall point. Thematically it might be a discontinuity but as a code name? I don't see it.

However, since we have the opportunity to learn, I would be curious to hear the writers thoughts as to the rationale behind it. It's always fun to hear that part of the writing process and learn what the thinking was.

Heck, it could be as simple as they had a list of names for different ideas and picked the "T" one, like how MASH would call nurses "Nurse Able" (letter A), "Nurse Baker" (letter B), for one off announcements.

You people need fucking pictures drawn for you, apparently. I explained, clearly enough, what my reason was, for claiming a discontinuity in the plot. I only erred in my choice of audience. It would seem the majority of you would have difficulty understanding anything that went beyond what could be explained, in five minutes, to a fucking 12-year-old. But then that was what I heard about such sites as these. It immediately put in me in mind of such cretins, as do go to such places as Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, and the like. There's about the same level of incoherence. I had the great pleasure of discovering this, at this rent-subsidized building I'd just moved into. It was awash in those AA-type fucks, but unfortunately, I'd just signed a year lease with the place.

 

[fireproof78]

You people need fucking pictures drawn for you, apparently. I explained, clearly enough, what my reason was, for claiming a discontinuity in the plot.

No, I disagree with the basis of your argument and looking at the episode and going "What discontinuity?" What is lacking in cohesion here? A code name?

as do go to such places as Alcoholics Anonymous meetings,

Tell me you've never been to one of these meetings without actually telling me. It's rather insensitive to those who actually struggle with addiction and the mental health issues that often accompany it. So, maybe not rely upon such an insensitive comparison?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

It's a distorted rendering of the Chinese "tiānmén" meaning "heaven's gate"?

Not really, the TNG episode was developed from the story in the novel "Tin Woodman" by Dennis Russell Bailey and David Bischoff. Here's the Wikipedia article:
Tin Woodman (novel) - Wikipedia

The story, about a psychic who makes contact with a sentient spacecraft, was adapted into a Star Trek: The Next Generation episode.
...
The name Tin Woodman is derived from The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Tin Woodman character. The name is used as a euphemism for the alien, the subject of the novel, who like the Woodman seeks happiness by having its heart restored.

 

[Weyoun 251]

You people need fucking pictures drawn for you, apparently. I explained, clearly enough, what my reason was, for claiming a discontinuity in the plot. I only erred in my choice of audience. It would seem the majority of you would have difficulty understanding anything that went beyond what could be explained, in five minutes, to a fucking 12-year-old. But then that was what I heard about such sites as these. It immediately put in me in mind of such cretins, as do go to such places as Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, and the like. There's about the same level of incoherence. I had the great pleasure of discovering this, at this rent-subsidized building I'd just moved into. It was awash in those AA-type fucks, but unfortunately, I'd just signed a year lease with the place.

Surely someone of such intellect as yourself would not make the mistake of not thoroughly viewing the property, and questioning the letting agent about the people also living there, to which they were about to sign a lease in order to ensure that those who also lived there were of suitable calibre as to not bring shame and discomfort upon yourself?

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

Surely someone of such intellect as yourself would not make the mistake of not thoroughly viewing the property, and questioning the letting agent about the people also living there, to which they were about to sign a lease in order to ensure that those who also lived there were of suitable calibre as to not bring shame and discomfort upon yourself?

Your question is valid, and I agree entirely with your premises. Normally yes, I would have done that, but unfortunately, I was quite rushed to accept this offer given me. I'd just come out of a two-month hospital stay, due to having suffered a mild stroke, so it was rather fortuitous this offer came along, at all. Due to financial and other pissy circumstances, I had to accept this place. My mobility was rather still quite impaired, preventing me from giving the place a proper vetting.
My contention with the Tin Man ST: TNG episode, is not with the eventual appropriateness of the Tin Man appellation, but with the fact that the Federation didn't know enough about GomTuu's actual plight, to have warranted applying the name, that early. Gomtuu's wish to die, due to loneliness was not revealed until late in the episode. That's the plot discontinuity of which I speak. These others seem quite given, at the merest seeming drop of a hat, to get into invective-filled exchanges. You're not like them, hence my civil communication, here, I know one understands, so that is all that's needed.

 

[matthunter]

There seems this rampant belief, that all one must do, to appear sophisticated, is to merely spout tautological statements, or simply restate what has already been said, or just the bloody obvious. that is quite prevalent in XA meetings, and such.

Replying to your own posts as an affirmative is perhaps MORE desperate than anyone who has sought communal healing for an addiction.

It's also more fucked up than anything I've ever done while drunk, and I've got Irish blood.

 

[Herbert]

The fuck is this thread?

Not many know that the real reason "Tin Man" was chosen as the codename for Gomtuu was because someone in Starfleet was a fan of the folk rock band, America.

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

Replying to your own posts as an affirmative is perhaps MORE desperate than anyone who has sought communal healing for an addiction.

It's also more fucked up than anything I've ever done while drunk, and I've got Irish blood.

Ah, I didn't realize I was doing that, initially, and felt quite the idiot, for that. But that was due to a lack of the required operation of this page, and to nothing else. I'm not as astute with this online shit, as some are.

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

Replying to your own posts as an affirmative is perhaps MORE desperate than anyone who has sought communal healing for an addiction.

It's also more fucked up than anything I've ever done while drunk, and I've got Irish blood.

I meant to say I lacked the required knowledge of how to navigate this site, is all.

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

Not many know that the real reason "Tin Man" was chosen as the codename for Gomtuu was because someone in Starfleet was a fan of the folk rock band, America.

Ah, okay. That is interesting, thanks.

 

[Shannon L. Freng]

It's a distorted rendering of the Chinese "tiānmén" meaning "heaven's gate"?

Not really, the TNG episode was developed from the story in the novel "Tin Woodman" by Dennis Russell Bailey and David Bischoff. Here's the Wikipedia article:
Tin Woodman (novel) - Wikipedia

Ah, I see. But I still hold with my critique of the actual script, though. It is an obvious case of putting the cart before the horse. But perhaps that was an unfortunate consequence, as I heard they tried to really rush production of this episode, so there probably wasn't time to work out the obvious holes in it.