Timeline theory (ent & trek 11)

[dHunter333]

ok i had an odd idea pop into my head the other day while watching some enterprise


the temporal cold war, future guy, other factions, etc are all messing with the past
for example the xindi was never recorded in history according to daniels yet it was happening, i'm sure some of the suliban attacks and stuff (maybe tholian) would've never happened, had there never been time interference
remember carpenter's street? archer & tpol go back in time i'm sure they made a few slight changes

now one could argue that the future (modern trek, 24th c trek) all depends on everything happening in ent the way it did for our moderm trek to shape the way it did

how about this for a theory
tos/tng/ds9/voy
then ent (we are seeing ent last, because changes were made that werent recorded in history)
and those changes created the new timeline, trek '09 (i prefer star trek 11, but i know most of you don't)

just a little theory, i know most people credit george kirk's early death as the reason for the changes, but that doesnt explain everything

ent's changes are so far back that slight alterations make sense...almost

 

[Dukhat]

just a little theory, i know most people credit george kirk's early death as the reason for the changes, but that doesnt explain everything

The timeline didn't change because George Kirk was killed. It changed because this huge honkin' Romulan ship from the future came back through time, was analyzed during the Kelvin attack, and its technology was reverse-engineered to create the new Enterprise.

ent's changes are so far back that slight alterations make sense...almost

Perhaps you're forgetting the Xindi attack on Earth, which Daniels explicitly states wasn't supposed to happen. Don't you think that might have caused quite a few changes?

 

[Finn]

just a little theory, i know most people credit george kirk's early death as the reason for the changes, but that doesnt explain everything

The timeline didn't change because George Kirk was killed. It changed because this huge honkin' Romulan ship from the future came back through time, was analyzed during the Kelvin attack, and its technology was reverse-engineered to create the new Enterprise.

ent's changes are so far back that slight alterations make sense...almost

Perhaps you're forgetting the Xindi attack on Earth, which Daniels explicitly states wasn't supposed to happen. Don't you think that might have caused quite a few changes?

The Xindi attack didn't happen in Daniels' timeline, but we are supposed to believe that it occured in the prime timeline. In other words, the events of Enterprise led to what we saw in TNG, DS9, and Voyager...

 

[SG-17]

XI and TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY all share a common past, ENT.

The events that occurred in Enterprise would have happened before the split so ENT occurred in both the Prime Universe and the Abramsverse.

 

[The Wormhole]

The events of Enterprise are indeed the common past of both the Prime Timeline and the Abrams Timeline. Things like the Xindi attack happen in both. The Xindi affair is even mentioned in TATV, meaning that it was known to Riker and Troi during the events of The Pegasus.

Anything Daniels said wasn't part of history simply means it wasn't part of his history, and therefore that he isn't from the Prime Timeline.

 

[Shatinator]

Well The can of worm-holes appears again. What’s this business saying Daniels is not from the Primeverse? If he is not, is he from an Altaverse? If so why is he studying the Primeverse and not knowing it to be so? Further, TATV source material is descendented from happenings from Enterprise, thus it's existence bears effect on all time moving forward and if, let me repeat if that material is altered than all history moving forward is altered. Does that change Prime to Alternate or is it just an Altered Prime as opposed to an Alternate Prime...um I don't know. But as they say, their it is.

Please commence the bastardization of my position.

The Shatinator

 

[JarodRussell]

Daniels comes from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline. He and the Suliban and all the other factions fucked with the timeline, hence ENT is a seperate continuity all the way through. Possible even that Picard/the Borg are the reason why things turned out to be different.

The Klingon from the pilot episode was not supposed to land in that cornfield, and that violation of the timeline was never undone. The Xindi attack was not supposed to happen either. And the NX-01 has never existed in the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline.

Look at how fat everyone got in "TATV" and compare them to how they look in "The Pegasus". Different timeline.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Daniels comes from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline.

There is absolutely no evidence of that.

The Klingon from the pilot episode was not supposed to land in that cornfield, and that violation of the timeline was never undone. The Xindi attack was not supposed to happen either. And the NX-01 has never existed in the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline.

No evidence of any of that either.

 

[Dukhat]

Daniels comes from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline.

There is absolutely no evidence of that.

The Klingon from the pilot episode was not supposed to land in that cornfield, and that violation of the timeline was never undone. The Xindi attack was not supposed to happen either. And the NX-01 has never existed in the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline.

No evidence of any of that either.

Well, yes there is. What JarodRussell is saying is that Daniels, FutureGuy, the Suliban, etc. were all part of the TCW, whether active participants or thrown in willingly/unwillingly. In the original timeline, no one knew who the Suliban were. But because of FutureGuy's tampering of the Suliban genetic code, he was able to turn them into a shape-changing race to suit his own ends, whatever that had turned out to be, and used them to cause mischief in the 22nd century that hadn't happened before. The Suliban caused that Klingon to crash in the cornfield because it was what FutureGuy wanted. It didn't happen in the original timeline. I believe FG even stated that himself in "Broken Bow."

 

[Finn]

^How is that evidence? How do we know it didn't happen in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline?

Just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean it didn't happen in Picard's view of history. We never heard of the Denobulans before Enterprise. Does that mean without the TCW, the Denobulans would cease to exist by the time of Kirk?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Daniels, FutureGuy, the Suliban, etc. were all part of the TCW, whether active participants or thrown in willingly/unwillingly. In the original timeline, no one knew who the Suliban were. But because of FutureGuy's tampering of the Suliban genetic code, he was able to turn them into a shape-changing race to suit his own ends, whatever that had turned out to be, and used them to cause mischief in the 22nd century that hadn't happened before. The Suliban caused that Klingon to crash in the cornfield because it was what FutureGuy wanted. It didn't happen in the original timeline. I believe FG even stated that himself in "Broken Bow."

What *I'm* saying is that for all we know, the Trek timeline we are all familiar with is already the result of all of the Temporal Cold war tampering we have seen. We may never have seen (and thus, never will see) the "original" timeline, assuming that even means anything.

 

[Dukhat]

^How is that evidence? How do we know it didn't happen in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline?

Just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean it didn't happen in Picard's view of history. We never heard of the Denobulans before Enterprise. Does that mean without the TCW, the Denobulans would cease to exist by the time of Kirk?

Did I say anything about the Denobulans? I was referring to JarodRussell's post about the Klingon crashing in the cornfield, and FutureGuy's manipulation of events using the Suliban. What does that have to do with the Denobulans?

 

[Finn]

Are you thick? Where in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeline did it state that the Klingon crash and the Suliban shit we saw on Enterprise didn't happen?

 

[USS Excelsior]

In the TNG timeline there was no Enterprise NX-01 or Xindi and stuff, they were the product of the events in FC when the Enterprise E went back and changed the past which created ENT.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In the TNG timeline there was no Enterprise NX-01 or Xindi and stuff. they were the product of the events in FC when the Enterprise E went back and changed the past which created ENT.

That was a predestination paradox. It was supposed to happen. It always happened. There was never a timeline where it did not.

"Regeneration" established that there is a closed loop operating here - the crash of the Borg sphere in that ENT episode, the subsequent sending out of a distress signal, which attracted the Borg to Earth, which caused the sphere to go back in time and crash...see what I'm getting at?

Also, TATV's scenes on the Ent-D reveal that Riker and Troi knew about the Xindi and everything that happened in ENT.

 

[Finn]

The Borg were supposed to be responsible for the mysterious attacks on Federation and Romulan outposts in TNG's The Neutral Zone, well before Q Who first aired. ENT's Regeneration leads to this.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ And AFAIK, the Borg cube we see in "Q Who" was *already* headed in Earth's direction - even before the Ent-D encountered it.

 

[FormerLurker]

That is potentially why Q did that. Despite his best efforts to the contrary, Q demonstrated a great fondness for humanity, and all of his interference may well have been to protect and/or defend us from a universe that he knew would chew up and spit out the unwary.