Time?

[Jon holder]

I am really enjoying the third season of Discovery as I have both previous seasons.
But I am having a issue with why Star Fleet/ Federation Headquarters, hiding in a distant location from sector 001 would still be using earth standard time.
Admiral Vance states “ records state that Discovery was destroyed in 2258”.
With Earth no longer a Federation world, why maintain that measurement”
Also CIC of starfleet and his Chief security officer is only a Lieutenant? Nahn is a LT Commander and she was only in charge of Enterprises Security then Discovery's????

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They're probably short handed considering how many died in "The Burn" and who knows how many folks are in the new version of StarFleet Academy.

 

[The Wormhole]

With Earth no longer a Federation world, why maintain that measurement”

Starfleet still seems to be largely human dominant. They'd presumably want to use the calendar they are most familiar with.

Also CIC of starfleet and his Chief security officer is only a Lieutenant? Non is a LT Commander and she was only in charge of Enterprises Security then Discovery's????

If anything Nhan's ranked too high for her position. Lieutenant being in charge of security of Starfleet Command is far more logical.

 

[Jon holder]

They're probably short handed considering how many died in "The Burn" and who knows how many folks are in the new version of StarFleet Academy.

Good Point, but she does seem to have a complete lack of respect for rank by the simple contempt she shows the senior staff of a what should be a miracle ship dropped in their lap.
Let’s for a second let’s leave out the spore drive, Post burn, a ship that shows up with a active warp drive and an abundance of uncorrupted dilithium.
So even if they are temporal agents as they suspect, still a sizable wow factor in Discovery’s arrival.

 

[F. King Daniel]

They likely used earth years for our benefit.

And it's not what you know, but who you know. Lt. Whoever probably has friends in high places.

 

[fireproof78]

Good Point, but she does seem to have a complete lack of respect for rank by the simple contempt she shows the senior staff of a what should be a miracle ship dropped in their lap.
Let’s for a second let’s leave out the spore drive, Post burn, a ship that shows up with a active warp drive and an abundance of uncorrupted dilithium.
So even if they are temporal agents as they suspect, still a sizable wow factor in Discovery’s arrival.

It's too convenient. I'd be suspicious too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I am really enjoying the third season of Discovery as I have both previous seasons.
But I am having a issue with why Star Fleet/ Federation Headquarters, hiding in a distant location from sector 001 would still be using earth standard time.
Admiral Vance states “ records state that Discovery was destroyed in 2258”.
With Earth no longer a Federation world, why maintain that measurement”

Because we're sitting on Earth watching it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Good Point, but she does seem to have a complete lack of respect for rank by the simple contempt she shows the senior staff of a what should be a miracle ship dropped in their lap.

I'm sure she looks upon them as clever primitives. Wouldn't be the first time in human history.

 

[Oso Blanco]

I wonder why Starfleet is hiding out there anyway, when could have built their new headquarters on some Federation planet. And how did they manage to gather all those ships, when none of them had warp capability after the burn? Were they all coming in on impulse over the years?

I don't know, but Admiral Vance has "bad guy" practically written all over his face. Maybe he's part of a Starfleet faction that caused the burn or something. There must be some hidden agenda somewhere!

 

[XCV330]

I wonder why Starfleet is hiding out there anyway, when could have built their new headquarters on some Federation planet. And how did they manage to gather all those ships, when none of them had warp capability after the burn? Were they all coming in on impulse over the years?

I don't know, but Admiral Vance has "bad guy" practically written all over his face. Maybe he's part of a Starfleet faction that caused the burn or something. There must be some hidden agenda somewhere!

why use a planet? A starfleet belongs with its ships, in space.

I am really enjoying the third season of Discovery as I have both previous seasons.
But I am having a issue with why Star Fleet/ Federation Headquarters, hiding in a distant location from sector 001 would still be using earth standard time.
Admiral Vance states “ records state that Discovery was destroyed in 2258”.
With Earth no longer a Federation world, why maintain that measurement”
Also CIC of starfleet and his Chief security officer is only a Lieutenant? Nahn is a LT Commander and she was only in charge of Enterprises Security then Discovery's????

Time is a plot device, and its necessary for continuity. We know when Discovery left their present, so if they suddenly started using a made up stardate, or any other calender it wouldn't make sense to viewers.

"Our last record of Discovery shows she went down with all hands in the startate 98272.5 two days before the Kalends of Thermidor or whatever might sound cool, but it means nothing to anyone watching.




When have ranks besides Captain made sense in Star Trek? We have seen less than a handful of identified noncoms, we've seen one midshipman and a 7 year ensign. I gave up trying to make sense of it.

 

[Cyrus]

I always find the use of the Gregorian calendar in Star Trek annoying. Not all the countries on Earth use that calendar, so even a united Earth may use a different calendar to appease all the member nations. Federation using it is even more silly. I think it is one of the reasons Roddenberry came up with the stardate idea. But it is being used more and more often in post-Roddenberry Trek. It is obviously for the benefit of the audience but I don't like it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I wonder why Starfleet is hiding out there anyway, when could have built their new headquarters on some Federation planet. And how did they manage to gather all those ships, when none of them had warp capability after the burn? Were they all coming in on impulse over the years?

I don't know, but Admiral Vance has "bad guy" practically written all over his face. Maybe he's part of a Starfleet faction that caused the burn or something. There must be some hidden agenda somewhere!

Only ships at warp were affected by the Burn.

 

[Timo]

Or at least Saru thinks this would be the case, and uses it as his cover story at Earth. He's probably wrong, and any ship that did not have the warp core completely shut down at the time would have exploded, regardless of her state of motion.

Having a couple of dozen ships survive with full warp capacity is not unduly different from the all-ships-lost scenario that would collapse Starfleet and the Federation: the grand total before the Burn would not have been four dozen, but more probably tens of thousands...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Tuskin38]

Only ships at warp were affected by the Burn.

It was all ships with active warp cores, not just at warp.

 

[ScottJ85]

Hey similar avatar buddy

Starfleet still seems very human-dominated, they're probably sticking with the old Earth calendar out of tradition.

 

[Mister Spock]

It's probably just tradition at this point.

 

[Paul Weaver]

It was all ships with active warp cores, not just at warp.

whixh makes sense - dilithium regulated the matter/antimatter reaction somehow. Suddenly remove that and at best you have a drumhead style explosion.

 

[Timo]

I wonder what "remove" here really means. According to Sahil/Burnham, the stuff went "inert", so it didn't disappear (except when being involved in warp core explosions!), which may be why Earth has a stockpile rather than

a) a series of craters where the stockpiles used to be, or
b) heaps of useless and inert if pretty crystals.

That is, dilithium by nature is inert, and needs to be "energized" to do its job inside a warp core, so it's baaaad business if it suddenly goes inert there, but not a problem otherwise. Stockpiles survived the Burn: they were just very low piles, due to the pre-Burn shortage also described by Sahil/Burnham.

Why Kirk's ship didn't blow up when his dilithium went inert in "The Alternative Factor"... May be crucial to DSC S3. Much like Bruce Maddox was to S1 of PIC.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Paul Weaver]

Well Dilithium is magical as it somehow doesn't interact with antimatter, so there's going to be a lot of handwavium in any explanation, but it seems reasonable to assume "inert" means "no longer magical".

That said I'd expect a warp core explosion at idle to be contained by emergency forcefields. Sure if you're pumping enough power in to maintain a 2000 cochrane warp field (along the lines of a million Terra watts, or a 25MT nuke going off 10 times a second, based on the TNG Tech Manual) then I could see problems, but if you're just idling along on hotel power in orbit running your replicators and gravity and generating I'd hope the emergency fields could contain the explosion.

That said, the Enterprise D was idling in Cause and Effect and a warp core breach was unstoppable, and again in Generations. Warp cores do seem rather fragile.

However in the Drumhead the explosion was caused by a failure in the articulation frame, perhaps causing a relatively slow problem as the dilithium shifted drastically out of alignment and safety systems kicked in, rather than the dilthium turning into a solid rock and being converted to energy by the antimatter stream. Even 500g of dilthium being evaporated would lead to 90,000 TJ of energy. You'd hope that safety systems would cut off the antimatter stream immediately - before 500g of antimatter had a chance to collide, perhaps those safety systems themselves relied on dilithium's properties.

The Alternative Factor's use of Dilithum is a problem, as it implies the power source is dilithum rather than having dilithium control the reaction, but I feel I'll have to rewatch the episode - you're right there's a good chance that the rest of the season may tie in.

 

[Noname Given]

I am really enjoying the third season of Discovery as I have both previous seasons.
But I am having a issue with why Star Fleet/ Federation Headquarters, hiding in a distant location from sector 001 would still be using earth standard time.
Admiral Vance states “ records state that Discovery was destroyed in 2258”.
With Earth no longer a Federation world, why maintain that measurement”
Also CIC of starfleet and his Chief security officer is only a Lieutenant? Nahn is a LT Commander and she was only in charge of Enterprises Security then Discovery's????

Because Star Trek is ENTERTAINMENT and the story needs to be relatable to the audience. In Universe you could just say they are being 'polite' and referencing time in a manner a Captain/Crew/First officer of a 23rd century vessel could relate to.

Hell, in TOS and in Berman era Star Trek all the Federation species Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Archer, et. al. interacted with ALWAYS ereferenced the current Earth year/era the respective show took place in.

This is NOTHING NEW for any Star Trek series/film.