Time Travel in Doctor who, Explained

[starsuperion]

This has taken me some time to work out, but now, I think I have the design, and the know how to make this system of travel make sense according to actual physics, and understanding..

below you will see three crude images detailing how the Tardis works..The Time lord science behind the Tardis is sound, and is something that physicists site could be done, but is way beyond humanity's skill.. what is interesting is that if you watch the wormhole and time travel episodes of "Morgan Freeman's Wormhole" tv series, it explains time travel, and really gives you a view of how the universe works..

anyhow.. here are the three crude examples of how a tardis works..

a full schematic of the ship is being done, now that I have the final design.. which I think you guys will like very much..

yep, I was away for awhile, taking time to do some minor projects and such.. and while I was away, i spent more time contemplating the Tardis.. which is not a fun thing.. trust me, to try and come up with the Tardis as a working ship is close to going insane.. which I may have driven myself..

but it's an insanity that is worth the stress..


behold my friends! the secrets of the Doctor's Tardis and time travel!!
Image 1: The Tardis side view, brief schematic


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

Image 2: The Tardis traveling in the time vortex


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

Image 3: The Tardis dimensional connections, and propulsion


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

so this is the basics.. THE TIME VORTEX IS TIED TO GALLIFREY VIA THE EYE OF HARMONY, AND CAN BE ACCESSED FROM GALLIFREY AND MANIPULATED BY THE GRAVITATIONAL FORCES PRODUCED BY THE EYE OF HARMONY..ALL DIRECT COMMUNICATION IS RAN THROUGH THE TIME VORTEX, WHICH IS ALSO HOW THE DOCTOR CAN TALK TO SOMEONE IN THE PAST WHILE BEING IN THE FAR FUTURE..

Check out Morgan Freeman's wormhole TV show, and specifically the episode entitled: "Is Time travel possible?"

 

[Captaindemotion]

So, basically you're halfway on your way to building a fully working TARDIS?

 

[Butters]

It disappears here, reappears there. You wouldn't understand ;-)

 

[starsuperion]

So, basically you're halfway on your way to building a fully working TARDIS?

ha ha ha.. yes actually..

no, I got a pretty slick schematic for the ship drawn up, and a few other cool designs as well..like the space station Zenobia from the trial of a time lord..

It disappears here, reappears there. You wouldn't understand ;-)

tee hee..

that's what she said..

but then again..

TIME TRAVEL!!
http://science.discovery.com/videos/through-the-wormhole-time-travel/

 

[diankra]

I don't want the TARDIS explained. She is a product of technology that humanity never develops - a Clarke's law case of something miraculous.

 

[Skellington]

I don't want the TARDIS explained. She is a product of technology that humanity never develops - a Clarke's law case of something miraculous.

Excellent way of putting it, but there's no harm in hypothesising. That's what good sci-fi is all about!

 

[Snick27]

This has taken me some time to work out, but now, I think I have the design, and the know how to make this system of travel make sense according to actual physics, and understanding..

below you will see three crude images detailing how the Tardis works..The Time lord science behind the Tardis is sound, and is something that physicists site could be done, but is way beyond humanity's skill.. what is interesting is that if you watch the wormhole and time travel episodes of "Morgan Freeman's Wormhole" tv series, it explains time travel, and really gives you a view of how the universe works..

anyhow.. here are the three crude examples of how a tardis works..

a full schematic of the ship is being done, now that I have the final design.. which I think you guys will like very much..

yep, I was away for awhile, taking time to do some minor projects and such.. and while I was away, i spent more time contemplating the Tardis.. which is not a fun thing.. trust me, to try and come up with the Tardis as a working ship is close to going insane.. which I may have driven myself..

but it's an insanity that is worth the stress..


behold my friends! the secrets of the Doctor's Tardis and time travel!!
Image 1: The Tardis side view, brief schematic


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

Image 2: The Tardis traveling in the time vortex


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

Image 3: The Tardis dimensional connections, and propulsion


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

so this is the basics.. THE TIME VORTEX IS TIED TO GALLIFREY VIA THE EYE OF HARMONY, AND CAN BE ACCESSED FROM GALLIFREY AND MANIPULATED BY THE GRAVITATIONAL FORCES PRODUCED BY THE EYE OF HARMONY..ALL DIRECT COMMUNICATION IS RAN THROUGH THE TIME VORTEX, WHICH IS ALSO HOW THE DOCTOR CAN TALK TO SOMEONE IN THE PAST WHILE BEING IN THE FAR FUTURE..

Check out Morgan Freeman's wormhole TV show, and specifically the episode entitled: "Is Time travel possible?"

You need a girlfriend, u got way to much time on your hands. lol

 

[Bones2]

This has taken me some time to work out, but now, I think I have the design, and the know how to make this system of travel make sense according to actual physics, and understanding..

below you will see three crude images detailing how the Tardis works..The Time lord science behind the Tardis is sound, and is something that physicists site could be done, but is way beyond humanity's skill.. what is interesting is that if you watch the wormhole and time travel episodes of "Morgan Freeman's Wormhole" tv series, it explains time travel, and really gives you a view of how the universe works..

anyhow.. here are the three crude examples of how a tardis works..

a full schematic of the ship is being done, now that I have the final design.. which I think you guys will like very much..

yep, I was away for awhile, taking time to do some minor projects and such.. and while I was away, i spent more time contemplating the Tardis.. which is not a fun thing.. trust me, to try and come up with the Tardis as a working ship is close to going insane.. which I may have driven myself..

but it's an insanity that is worth the stress..


behold my friends! the secrets of the Doctor's Tardis and time travel!!
Image 1: The Tardis side view, brief schematic


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

Image 2: The Tardis traveling in the time vortex


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

Image 3: The Tardis dimensional connections, and propulsion


By starsuperion at 2010-11-30

so this is the basics.. THE TIME VORTEX IS TIED TO GALLIFREY VIA THE EYE OF HARMONY, AND CAN BE ACCESSED FROM GALLIFREY AND MANIPULATED BY THE GRAVITATIONAL FORCES PRODUCED BY THE EYE OF HARMONY..ALL DIRECT COMMUNICATION IS RAN THROUGH THE TIME VORTEX, WHICH IS ALSO HOW THE DOCTOR CAN TALK TO SOMEONE IN THE PAST WHILE BEING IN THE FAR FUTURE..

Check out Morgan Freeman's wormhole TV show, and specifically the episode entitled: "Is Time travel possible?"

You need a girlfriend, u got way to much time on your hands. lol

That kind of comment is unwelcome here, and I suggest you apologise immediately.

 

[Saul]

I don't want the TARDIS explained. She is a product of technology that humanity never develops - a Clarke's law case of something miraculous.

Excellent way of putting it, but there's no harm in hypothesising. That's what goos sci-fi is all about!

Yeah, half the fun is hypothesising about stuff. Would be pretty dead around here if we didn't.

And their are stories, be it fanon or audio or book that have the Doctor originally being Human and building the Tardis Technology on Earth before coming to Gallifrey and lets not forget about "Dr. Who" who was an earth scientist.

 

[starsuperion]

You need a girlfriend, u got way to much time on your hands. lol

That kind of comment is unwelcome here, and I suggest you apologise immediately.

thanks bones.. and for the record ya'll..

this is me, and my woman..
http://skywarp-2.deviantart.com/gallery/5851476#/d1pc18s

this is my son and daughter..

http://skywarp-2.deviantart.com/gallery/5851476#/d1kyo3n

my daughter and her mother..
http://skywarp-2.deviantart.com/gallery/5851476#/d1pc3jv

so I have a life, I'm just "as the doctor would put it" clever..

I don't want the TARDIS explained. She is a product of technology that humanity never develops - a Clarke's law case of something miraculous.

Excellent way of putting it, but there's no harm in hypothesising. That's what good sci-fi is all about!

Yeah, half the fun is hypothesising about stuff. Would be pretty dead around here if we didn't.

And their are stories, be it fanon or audio or book that have the Doctor originally being Human and building the Tardis Technology on Earth before coming to Gallifrey and lets not forget about "Dr. Who" who was an earth scientist.

yeah that movie was crazy.. and yet cool for it's day..the tardis was all wires and such, no central console.

my work is simply a fan's view of the Tardis..and how using physics, and the latest theories by top scientists..to weave a cohesive design and give some art to this niche..

as a star trek LCARS fan, I always wanted something that did about the same with the Tardis.. ever since i was 10 years old.. I have been in the drawing and designing a tardis hobby..

I just now got a great design that flows and works in the classic and the new look..

so please.. understand.. what I want to do is give this section of Trekbbs it's ow Tardis schematic tools and make it work rationally, so those who want to create their own ship have a concrete place.. for those who wish to believe otherwise.. no worries.. my task is not to change their perception of the show.. I am merely just giving fodder to those who wish to rationalize the show's technology..

which I believe I have now..

 

[starsuperion]

now with that said.. I told you guys I have a schematic in the works for the uber cool Space station Zenobia.. the only known OUTSIDE view of time lord technology which is the inspiration for the new tardis design, particularly the energy spire in the center of the ship.. but on a tardis it is much larger..

but for you guys, here is the only known photo of the space station Zenobia which shows detail from the episode series trial of a time lord.. starring colin baker..

now there are those who will debate whether or not that serial was any good story wise.. but for me, you had this beautiful model used to show the time lords style of design.. which is amazing since this can open a key to designing more creations based on it's look and feel..

a full space station Zenobia schematic with floor plan will be done in the coming months.. so please be patient.. I have to finish my tardis designs, and some other cool things..

anyhow, here is the image:

 

[Starkers]

I'm remided of the comment in the Next Gen technical manual that says the tech advisors went to great lenths to explain to Patrick Stewart how warp drive theoretically worked etc.

"Nah that's not how it works,' he says. Then sits down in the centre seat and says "Engage." 'That's how it works.'

I'm misquoting that horribly but you get the point. Then again I'm someone who bought the TNG technical manual so I can't throw any stones here. StarSuperion, whatever makes you happy, but with the amount of work you've put into this I really hope you get to publish a book or something!

For me, much as I loved knowing how the Enteprise (theoretically) worked, I'm quite happy for the Tardis to remain a mystery...in fact I prefer it that way. Odd eh?

 

[starsuperion]

I'm remided of the comment in the Next Gen technical manual that says the tech advisors went to great lenths to explain to Patrick Stewart how warp drive theoretically worked etc.

"Nah that's not how it works,' he says. Then sits down in the centre seat and says "Engage." 'That's how it works.'

I'm misquoting that horribly but you get the point. Then again I'm someone who bought the TNG technical manual so I can't throw any stones here. StarSuperion, whatever makes you happy, but with the amount of work you've put into this I really hope you get to publish a book or something!

For me, much as I loved knowing how the Enteprise (theoretically) worked, I'm quite happy for the Tardis to remain a mystery...in fact I prefer it that way. Odd eh?

not at all starkers, I completely understand your view point.. and like I said earlier, I am not doing all of this work to step on anyone's toes, or to say that my solution is the only viable one..

however, if I may be so bold..

it is the most likely one in my humble point of view..

Anyhow, the show does nothing to explain how the Tardis does what it does, but it does give hints to the ship's purpose and it's capabilities..which if you rationalize it to technology and ideas already conceived you are then able to give a great deal of rationality to the idea of the Time lords Tardis and their mode of travel..

take for instance the somewhat controversial statement made by the doctor that "Tardises are grown not built."

however to me, a Tardis is not a living organism..nor is it a coral ship..

if you want the new tardis and the classic series to coincide technology wise, then the answer is very simple.. taking a cue from the oddest of places..

bear with me..

In the Invasion of time the Doctor remarks how in his new office of the presidency, he wants a particular style of wall decorations done up.. the Time lord engineers who manufacture such things are able to create it with ease.. though it took some time, it was being done.. in the show, we see that his office is remade in a remarkably fast pace, and one can conclude that construction to a time lord is very simple.. they mentioned the process which sounded remarkably similar to the theory behind the food replicators of the enterprise in Star Trek..

if you look at how matter is rearranged in star trek via transporters, and the food replicators in the mess hall of the TNG Enterprise -D, then imagine if that were done on a large scale level, with immense power to convert energy and particles into matter..

that to me, is how the Time lords were able to construct a tardis, and why a tardis can be converted to energy (jettison sections) for boost in the vortex if need be..it also explains the massive size of the ship, and the reason a tardis can reformat itself to the occupants ideal..

another example is time travel.. theorists say that space and time are linked together, however, if you move outside of space, then time is attached to space, so you can move outside of time as well..

the time vortex isn't call the "vortex" because of the shape it takes, as a tunnel, rather it is a massive swirling tunnel which encompasses the whole of the universe, like a massive race track..or a swirling whirl pool of sorts.. only this one is like a time super highway.. jump on at any point, and depending on the direction you travel takes you around in a massive loop to the beginning or the end of time..jump off into normal space time and you arrive where you want to be at the time you wanted to be..

the reason for the time vortex is simple.. what scientists know as a fact is that the universe does not spin..so sitting in a space ship going backwards in time outside of normal space is impossible..

unless you have a tunnel that spans the length of the entire universe, which you could then spin in a counter clockwise direction and move backwards, or forwards in time, and exit in time-space where you wanted to be..

hence the term time "vortex"

_ here are a few more ideas...if the time vortex was "created" by the time lords and is a tunnel (wormhole that spans the length of the universe in circular fashion) then it seems that a probe of some sort had to fly in a circular pattern creating that "vortex" flying to the end of time and the beginning releasing dark matter (which we now know is the only thing that counteracts gravity) expanding it's wormhole as it goes creating the time travel super highway the time lords use..

likewise, the creation of such a wormhole would take tremendous resources and power to maintain, which leads me to another logical conclusion.. the size of the ship that travels in this "vortex" would need to be small.. hence the tardis.. a small outside but everything built in another dimension to allow it to traverse the vortex with ease and maintain a viable ship to explore the universe in.. it makes sense..

the creators of Doctor who were very brilliant.. even before any of this theory of travel was confirmed (on a theoretical level by mathematical physics)..and today it looks like it is becoming more of a reality rationally because of the science of physics and astronomy..

it is really exciting stuff! This is an exciting time to be a who fan, new show, new physics which rationalize the ideas behind time travel.. I am happy and am able to try to piece it together, if for nothing else then to have fun.

 

[Cutter John]

That kind of comment is unwelcome here, and I suggest you apologise immediately.

Hear, Hear!

You're in a Dr Who message board, talking about daleks and cybermen, and you're calling someone else geeky?