"Time has been broken" a theory

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  1. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    Except the differences in the two universe date back further than the 21st century.
     
  2. Dukhat

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    Carl says “I’m gonna send you back to a time when the mirror universe and the prime universe were still aligned.” We don’t exactly know what that means.
     
  3. Phoenix219

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    Still close enough to cross over and not kill Georgeiou. She was getting sick in the future because she was so far away from her home time period and universe.
     
  4. Lord Garth

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    I think we're overthinking this. I think Q's just showing Picard other paths Humanity could've taken and trying to see if Picard can figure it out and learn some lesson in the process. At the end of the day, PIC is still TNG. It's just a different type of TNG.

    The end of Season 1 proved it to me, when Picard saved the day by reasoning with Soji, and the ban on AI was lifted after he got Starfleet to see the light.
     
  5. Dukhat

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    Normally I would agree with you; however, I'm seeing more and more that the current producers of Trek seem to like small-universe syndrome.
     
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    Pretty much. It's a return to form, allowing the familiar to be played with in a slightly newer sandbox.
     
  7. Lord Garth

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    PIC is very specific about the way it's small-universe. It follows up on TNG and VOY, with nods to TOS, and a bone thrown at DS9 once in a blue moon.

    If they have anything from Disco in any serious way, I'll be truly shocked. But if you turn out to be right with your speculation... the next round of smokes or drinks or whatever is on me. Any favor you need, any dirty job you want done, I got it.
     
  8. Dukhat

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    I’m hoping I’m not right, because I don’t want to see Mirror Georgiou or that Section 31 show AT ALL, much less that they’re referenced in PIC S2. I already didn’t like S1 but I’m giving it another chance.
     
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    What if... Picards consciousness is really only residing in a, "massively complex quantum simulation" and this, in the end is no different than Patrick Duffy in the shower?
     
  10. Lord Garth

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    This is one of the reasons I don't get why everyone over a particular age thinks Dallas was so great.
     
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    Technically they already have carried over something from DSC -- the Discoprise with angled nacelles, seen as a hologram in Starfleet HQ. But I guess that probably doesn't qualify as "serious" in the way you mean it.
     
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  12. Hades Temperature Checker

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    How is that serious?
     
  13. Lord Garth

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    I'm not talking about sets or designs or production material or anything like that. Things made around the same time are going to use a lot of the same things. And models take a while to design, physical or CGI. So there's a lot that's going to be recycled and reused. That's the reality of television production, like it or not. Hell, the season finale proves they weren't going to break the bank on starships, because they weren't the main focus.

    I'm talking about in-story, characters from other series, things like that. I don't think it's some radical leap to say there are people watching Picard who don't watch Discovery. A lot of them are here because "I used to watch TNG!" So to have Georgiou -- or anyone else from DSC -- show up would make them go, "What the Hell is that?!"

    This is the way it breaks down:
    • Picard will dig deep into TNG lore, a lot into VOY too. That's their lane.
    • Discovery's lane has generally been following up on ENT in a limited way, tying into TOS, and showing DS9 races (especially when they made the jump to the 32nd Century).
    • Lower Decks focuses on TNG in particular but "Everything Goes!" TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, it doesn't matter.
    One size doesn't fit all. Once you know how each of the individual new series operates, then you can better figure out which series they're more likely to borrow from.

    "But what about "Unification III" borrowing stuff from Picard like the Quowat Milot?!" Yeah. Way ahead of you. If Romulus is destroyed, then it's not too crazy to figure maybe the Romulans might end up on Vulcan if Spock's goal was Unification. So once you have Romulans on Vulcan, a lot of their culture will transfer over, and TNG might've had great Romulan episodes, but -- I'm sorry to say -- they did a piss-poor job of developing the culture. And TOS only really had two Romulan episodes, where you don't get to see too much of the culture either. So they had to use elements from PIC, basically out of necessity, to flesh out the Romulan side of things because Romulans, unlike Vulcans, never had a main character in a Star Trek series every week before where we could really get to know them.

    And "Unification III" explained the Quowat Milot in such a way that anyone who didn't follow or remember Picard wouldn't be totally lost. Romulan Nuns who tell it straight. What more do you need to know?

    But not every case is going to be so easily explainable. "Georgiou! She was from the Mirror Universe in the 23rd Century! Then she travelled over to our Universe! She was evil, then she reformed! Then she ended up in the 32nd Century! Then she started phasing because of Space-Time! Then the Gaurdian of Forever sent her back to another time so she wouldn't phase out of existence and now she's here!" Read that over again. You're going to explain that to someone not in the know, totally out of the blue? Yeeeaaaaahhhhh... No. It's apples and oranges.

    And bear in mind: I'm a fan of Georgiou and DSC and all of that. So if I'm the one who's telling you this...
     
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