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Time After Time: Season 1

Finally got around to watching this. It wasn't as good as the movie, but I liked it better than I'd expected from the reviews. Freddie Stroma is a bit bland as H.G. Wells, and I'm surprised to learn he's actually a London native, because his Wells barely seems to have an English accent. Maybe a deliberate choice to make him more accessible to American audiences? If so, I don't care for it. Stroma does have a certain feckless charm, though, once you get used to the blandness. Josh Bowman is okay as Stevenson/the Ripper, but he's no David Warner, just as Stroma is no Malcolm McDowell. On the other hand, I find Genesis Rodriguez every bit as charming in her way as Mary Steenburgen was in the film -- possibly even more so. She's definitely the best thing about the show.

There were some good moments here and there. I quite liked H.G.'s discovery of New York City 2017. If you want to astound a time traveler with the progress and potential and diversity of the modern world, there's probably nowhere better. I also loved the bit where Jane tempted Stevenson with tales of his fame, then dropped the other shoe that he was famous for being completely unknown, his name forgotten while Wells had enduring fame. Ouch. Good thing he's a doctor, 'cause he's gonna need treatment for that burn.

The modern, ultra-serialized approach to TV storytelling does the series no favors. Naturally they couldn't give the story a decisive ending like the novel and movie, but they didn't even bring the opening 2-parter to any kind of climax. H.G. did rescue Jane and stop John from stealing the time machine, but that was maybe 2/3 of the way through part 2 and then we had a good 15 minutes of denouement and setup that just kind of fizzled out without really building to any meaningful stopping point. Is it supposed to be a big dramatic thing that some creepy guy in a cap is stalking H.G. and John? So what? Without any context, there's nothing to make that feel particularly suspenseful or interesting. And for a series that promises adventures through time, it's a profoundly mundane sort of cliffhanger. A guy in a ball cap, John picking up a girl in a bar, and H.G. flirting with Jane and having a vaguely tense conversation with his descendant's Senate-candidate husband? This is all we get after 2 hours of buildup? We could've had an ending where H.G. and Jane chase John through time and end up facing Morlocks or something.

Anyway, the show differs from the movie in that it does allow for history to be changed. The movie contrived a way to resolve the situation without any actual change to the timeline (thanks to an inaccurate newspaper report), but here, they definitely changed the future by saving John's second victim. So we've got one more time travel show with a mutable timeline. Not surprising, of course, since most are like that, but a fixed-timeline model might've been a nice change from all the other current time-travel shows. Also, an immutable causal loop would work better with the premise that Wells's experiences in time will lead to him writing the books we know he wrote.



I think the rules they established for time travel are fairly simple - for the moment - the time machine itself doesn't travel through time, merely the occupants, explaining how it travels between Camden, 1893 and New York, 2017, and that whilst you can travel back and alter history, it's not wise to travel to the same point repeatedly a it would break time.

As they explained it, the time machine does move through time, but without the key, it automatically returns to its point of origin. Although that conflicts with the machine sending them into its future incarnation. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.



I noticed that Nicholas Meyer got a writing credit for Part One; I wonder if he was actually involved with the remake or if it was just that the first hour was so closely based on his original script that the WGA awarded him a co-writing credit?

Was Karl Alexander credited for writing the original novel? I looked for his name in the opening credits, but I could have missed it.

The credits to the pilot said "Teleplay by Nicholas Meyer, Story by Karl Alexander & Steve Hayes." Those are the same credits as the movie, so it's hard to say. It was somewhat rewritten, of course, but maybe it was a close enough remake that the new writer wasn't deemed to be entitled to a credit, or maybe the showrunner decided to waive credit as a way of giving acknowledgment to the original writers.

But Meyer doesn't seem to be credited as any sort of producer or consultant, which I think he probably would be if he were involved with the show.
 
After the third episode, I'm finding this kind of bland. The storyline revolves around a time machine, but nobody's actually traveling in time. Okay, that's not essential; a lot of time travel stories (including the book/movie this is based on) are more about the fish-out-of-water, culture-clash elements of people from the past (or future) adjusting to the present. But this show glosses that over too, with H.G. and John adapting to the present with unusual ease. So all we're left with is what too many modern shows default to -- shadowy conspiracies. Possibly as many as three separate conspiracies, or one far-reaching conspiracy with several facets. You've got the ball-cap guy from last week, Chad -- who started to get interesting when it turned out he was working for his beloved, elderly mother who wanted him to stop Wells and the Ripper before they did something bad, but then got killed before we got any answers. You've got Vanessa's senator-candidate boyfriend (not husband as I thought) playing dumb but turning out to have known about Wells all along -- by far the most predictable twist. And you've got Jennifer Ferrin also knowing in advance who Stevenson is and luring him into a trap. Why does everything have to be shadowy conspiracies these days? We've already got Timeless doing the "time travelers vs. a vast evil conspiracy" thing. For that matter, 12 Monkeys fits the category too. It's getting kind of tiresome.


I thought it was interesting that all of the women that Dr. Stephenson aka the Ripper had targeted in modern day Manhattan were WOCs. Interesting.

The majority of the 21st-century characters in general are people of color -- Jane (at least the actress is Latina), Vanessa, Doug, Jane's museum colleague in the pilot (who I thought was Reggie from Riverdale at first, but just looked similar), etc. Which makes sense, since New York City has a majority-nonwhite population.
 
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Two new secret conspiratory societies were uncovered this week, maybe three.

Time Travellers vs immortal institutions, is way cool.

Dracula vs. The Phantom.
 
I think this show is attempting too much and not doing a very good job of any of it.

Strip down the characters and the conspiracies. Don't give Wells and Jane this vast network of wealth and resources. Have Stevenson fall in love with a woman who doesn't know who he is. Then you have one conspiracy involving people who already know who they are.
 
The gem was put there by a fourth conspiracy, if not Wells himself, who Bill and Tedded himself without really realizing it.

The Ripper's faux Girlfriend, she did not have to seduce him or sleep with him, to get him on that table if she had foreknowledge and resources. Either she is revenging him for the rippings, enhancing him for his future missions, of Jack the Ripper killed JFK... Or suicide Squad style they are putting a bomb in his chest to make him compliant.

It's a little insincere to call Stevenson a Surgeon. By modern standards, he has significantly less medical training and general knowledge than a nurse, which is still nothing to sneeze at, but still.

Good lord, was she harvesting sperm?

Wells and Stevenson might be having nonlinear babies, and more so, if your family tree required Jack the Ripper to have sex with women that he did not immediately skin, precautions would have to be made, as well as redundancies.
 
I'm not sure Time After Time was really a good source material for a series. Don't get me wrong, it's a good movie, but it's about a single event -- H.G. Wells chasing Jack the Ripper to our present and falling in love with a modern woman that he ultimately has to save from Jack. I'm not sure that meshes well with the premise of "H.G. Wells travels through time and gets the inspirations for all his future books." At least, the show we have isn't meshing them well. Their desire to stay rooted in the movie/book's premise means they need to anchor the story in the present and stretch out both the chase for Jack and the love story. And that's where all the conspiracies and wealthy backers and such come in, to flesh out the present-day portion of the story. But all of that is a distraction from the movie plot that they're trying to pad out.

Maybe it would've been better to limit the movie adaptation to the first two episodes, then had H.G. and Jane launch into a series of time-travel adventures -- either have them chase Jack the Ripper through history somehow, or resolve Jack the Ripper in episode 2 and then move on to other plot generators while developing H.G. and Jane's romance through time. They could still use the out-of-sequence consequences of those time travels as a developing mystery arc, but it wouldn't be so dependent on the "everyone we meet is part of one or more conspiracies" trope they're relying on now.
 
Still not a lot of daring on this show. They finally travel in time again, but it's a brief fact-finding trip to 1980 that's tied directly to Vanessa's family and is just about advancing the conspiracy-mystery arc. And meanwhile, it turns out that Stephenson's abductor is the sister of Vanessa's fiance, linking two of last week's conspiracies into one -- while the other conspiracy-ish thread turns out to be linked to the Anders family too, since the creepy bearded guy was trying to undo the murder of his dad by Vanessa's dad. So it's all very insular and revolving around this small group of interrelated characters, which is an underwhelming direction to take a premise involving the power to travel throughout time and space.

At least next week will involve a trip farther afield, to 1918 Paris. Hopefully that will be a bit more interesting, though I'd say it's a safe bet that it'll be interspersed with a lot of scenes involving the present-day characters.
 
Didn't the Doctor mention Stevenson having a son and mentioned the rough time-frame? I thought the jaunt to Paris in 1918 was directly related to that.
 
Didn't the Doctor mention Stevenson having a son and mentioned the rough time-frame? I thought the jaunt to Paris in 1918 was directly related to that.

Yeah, I think she did say the son died in 1918.

And her name is Brooke Monroe, by the way. Better be careful about calling someone "the Doctor" in a time-travel show... ;)
 
That would be 'The Doctor', the definitive article you might say.

Are we looking at two dynasties - with Monroe ("Moreau", ha ha ha) and her brother representing the side of the Ripper, and Anders representing the side of HG. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up twisted the other way.
 
Are we looking at two dynasties - with Monroe ("Moreau", ha ha ha) and her brother representing the side of the Ripper, and Anders representing the side of HG. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up twisted the other way.

I'm honestly not sure if I'm interested in finding out. At this point, I think I'm only sticking around for Genesis Rodriguez. If they start time-travelling more, and to more interesting points in spacetime than a backyard party in 1980, then it might get relatively less bland, but even if they do start jaunting through history more, I can't help but feel it'll just come off as a rehash of Timeless.
 
I'm actually finding Stevenson more interesting than HG at the moment - and not just because they seem to be going out of their way to have Josh Bowman topless in every episode.

Didn't they show the 'Wild West' or some sort of frontier/wilderness set-up in the 'This Season ...' at the end of the pilot, as well as the Parisian bits, and possibly some stuff from WW1 or WW2 (I couldn't tell from the uniforms, but then again this could tie into the Paris, 1918 episode).
 
I'm actually finding Stevenson more interesting than HG at the moment - and not just because they seem to be going out of their way to have Josh Bowman topless in every episode.

His shirtlessness has no effect on me, and I find his acting rather generic and his personality rather uninteresting. He's supposed to be a cunning serial killer who's managed to fool everyone for years, and yet he's being portrayed as a savage who can't stop himself from attacking people. It's inconsistent. And mindless brutality holds no fascination for me.

Also, Brooke's line about "there's only one Jack the Ripper" was unconvincing. The only reason Jack the Ripper is more infamous than other serial killers is the media hype. He was played up in the sensationalist press of the time, and the unsolved mystery of his identity created a mystique that elevated him to myth. Take that away and he's not intrinsically any more "special" than any other serial killer. (In fact, there's a theory that the Ripper never existed, that the press invented him as the purported culprit behind several unrelated killings.) Jane actually said that in episode 2 -- that the thing that made Jack an enduring legend was his anonymity, rather than anything special about the man himself.
 
How she sits on his lap intimately when they use the time machine, I wonder if the same will be true when there are two adult men in there?
 
Don't really care for how convoluted the story is, but I guess they need to give everyone something to do. I'll keep watching since it's only a short commitment before cancellation.
 
I kinda wish the show would drop the jack the ripper angle and be more about exploring different time periods and providing social commentary. Between HG Wells' optimism for the future and Jane's modern perspective, the show could do some interesting social commentary on each time period. The show could visit time periods that are familiar to us like the last episode did when they went to the 80's. Wells of course would lament the lack of progress while Jane could explain it. They could also visit our future like the 2100's and provide commentary and what futurists today think the future holds.
 
Unlike the H.G. Wells time machines depicted in the The Time Machine(1960) , Time After Time(1979) and The Time Machine(2002) this 2017 series H.G. time machine can go to different geographic locations , not just time travel. The Time Machine(1978) did also move through both time and geographic locations too.

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The Time Machine(1960)

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The Time Machine(1978)

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Time After Time(1979)

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The Time Machine(2002)
 
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I was skeptical from the beginning. Big fan of the original film and actors. Disappointed that they cast younger actors in the remake. I finally binged the first 3 eps and was pleasantly surprised. I'm liking how they've expanded the story with several interesting subplots. Now, they're starting to travel to other time periods. I'll keep watching.
 
Disappointed that they cast younger actors in the remake.

As a matter of fact, H.G. Wells was only 27 in 1893, the year he supposedly came from in both versions. Malcolm McDowell was 36 in the movie, and Freddie Stroma is 30, much closer to the correct age.

And Genesis Rodriguez, at 29, is actually three years older than Mary Steenburgen was when she made Time After Time.
 
Even with the presence of both the stupidly charismatic Josh Bowman/Jack the Ripper and the hope that Stroma/Wells will regrow his moustache, am rapidly loosing interest in the show already - this is not good.
 
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