Truthfully, I can't believe anyone would actually complain about that trailer.
THOR Comic Con Trailer leaked
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I was pleased with it. I agree it's probably not what you will want to show the general public, but I expect a Superbowl spot that is more or less culled from this footage.
That would fit in with my not reading comics in, like 15 years.
It just got to be too much with all the titles I used to read, and it sounds like it got more confusing later on
If you're wondering where Donald Blake is, why are you not sure about Jane Foster?
Anyway, Blake's not in the movie (he's not needed, given the narrative arc suggested).
The Asgard part isn't as amazing and otherworldly as it should be. I guess I've always associated Marvel's Asgard with the kind of really mind-bending, vaguely Lovecraftian defy-the-laws-of-physics-and-sanity approach that Steve Ditko brought to Doctor Strange (which damn well better be a lot more bizarre!)
Since when is Odin afraid of a little warfare? I thought those guys frakken lived to fight!
Where's poor Don Blake??? He's been replaced by some guy from the WWF!
The rock & roll soundtrack really drives home an unfortunate overall similarity in visuals and tone to Sons of Anarchy. Which is maybe fun and complimentary for Sons of Anarchy but drags poor Thor way down to a mundane level.
But the ending...
I wasn't really looking forward greatly to Thor, so if the trailer doesn't grab me, and it doesn't, that's okay. They better not frak up Captain America and Doctor Strange, that's all I ask! And the fact that the best scenes were with Coulson, who is part of the whole Avengers arc (??), bodes well for the movies overall. Maybe Thor will be a more minor entry into the overall scheme of things. To me, the Avengers really hinges on Iron Man/Hulk/Cap.
My prediction is that this movie will pretty much flop, but it won't impact the overall successful trajectory of the Marvel/Avengers movies.
Since when is Odin afraid of a little warfare? I thought those guys frakken lived to fight!
Where's poor Don Blake??? He's been replaced by some guy from the WWF!
The rock & roll soundtrack really drives home an unfortunate overall similarity in visuals and tone to Sons of Anarchy. Which is maybe fun and complimentary for Sons of Anarchy but drags poor Thor way down to a mundane level.
But the ending...
I wasn't really looking forward greatly to Thor, so if the trailer doesn't grab me, and it doesn't, that's okay. They better not frak up Captain America and Doctor Strange, that's all I ask! And the fact that the best scenes were with Coulson, who is part of the whole Avengers arc (??), bodes well for the movies overall. Maybe Thor will be a more minor entry into the overall scheme of things. To me, the Avengers really hinges on Iron Man/Hulk/Cap.
My prediction is that this movie will pretty much flop, but it won't impact the overall successful trajectory of the Marvel/Avengers movies.
Thor may be a tougher sell for general audiences than the Iron Man films. Lacking an actor with the charm of Robert Downey Jr., perhaps Thor is destined to do a "lousy" $200 million domestic.
Commercially, Thor's got a decent base a fantasy story to work from, even apart from being a superhero; and it's got a great release date, being basically the first blockbuster of the summer. It should do fine, I suspect.
Captain America is the more likely to financially underwhelm, I suspect; it's toward the end of the summer, close by Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, and I doubt it can count on robust foreign box office.
However, it won't affect The Avengers either way, because they'll have been filming that movie for months by that point. It might affect editing or whatever, but the movie will still happen.
Captain America is the more likely to financially underwhelm, I suspect; it's toward the end of the summer, close by Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, and I doubt it can count on robust foreign box office.
However, it won't affect The Avengers either way, because they'll have been filming that movie for months by that point. It might affect editing or whatever, but the movie will still happen.
I forgot about the release date for Thor. Maybe it will outperform The Incredible Hulk and approach $300 million.
Why don't you think Captain America will be huge in the foreign markets?
I remember people saying the first Iron Man movie would be lucky to make $200 million in the US. Now he is the only Marvel Superhero with the exception of Spider-Man to make more than $300 million with both his movies.
It's way too early to predict how well Thor will do. Since he isn't that well known, it's important that the writing has to be good. Most superhero movies end up failing because of the writing.
It's way too early to predict how well Thor will do. Since he isn't that well known, it's important that the writing has to be good. Most superhero movies end up failing because of the writing.
I should think that would be obvious. Foreign audiences will in fact consume quite a bit of US patriotic material (see Michael Bay's whole oeuvre), but something as explicitly labelled as Captain America is undoubtedly going to be a turnoff to some. When you say "Captain America", people (even many in the US) think of a diehard Bush supporter, Team America played straight. He's not, but that's the perception, and it will take a very strong marketing campaign to sell it.
Die hard Bush supporter = Captain America
Sounds like a personal political bias to me. Can you link me to this poll to support your opinion your ascribing to as fact?
Captain America throughout his history has been at times conservative or liberal depending on the cause and the justness of it, he is no more Clinton than he is Bush, Obama or Regan. Captain America is the embodiement of the spirit that made this country great.
Sad to hear people try and label him as being from the John Edwards camp of two Americas, cause he is not.
Die hard Bush supporter = Captain America
Sounds like a personal political bias to me. Can you link me to this poll to support your opinion your ascribing to as fact?
Captain America throughout his history has been at times conservative or liberal depending on the cause and the justness of it, he is no more Clinton than he is Bush, Obama or Regan. Captain America is the embodiement of the spirit that made this country great.
Sad to hear people try and label him as being from the John Edwards camp of two Americas, cause he is not.
How does Cap play overseas in terms of comic sales? Anyone know? What kind of recognition does he get?
I will reply to this in the main Captain America thread.
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That would fit in with my not reading comics in, like 15 years.
It just got to be too much with all the titles I used to read, and it sounds like it got more confusing later on
It's not too confusing really, although I am speaking as someone who's kept up with comics for the last 20-odd years, but I know what you mean. There are so many tie-ins, re-boots, AU titles...etc, that it can be hard to figure out what's worth reading, and what is relevant to the stories you're interested in. I only read a few titles these days, and tend to use Wikipedia to fill in the blanks, or wait for trades of certain stories (especially with massive crossover events).
I would say, if you do ever decide to pick up any comics again in the future, The Ultimates is worth a read.
Oh please, I've bought every issue of Cap's current series; I'm a big fan, when written properly.Die hard Bush supporter = Captain America
Sounds like a personal political bias to me. Can you link me to this poll to support your opinion your ascribing to as fact?
Captain America throughout his history has been at times conservative or liberal depending on the cause and the justness of it, he is no more Clinton than he is Bush, Obama or Regan. Captain America is the embodiement of the spirit that made this country great.
Sad to hear people try and label him as being from the John Edwards camp of two Americas, cause he is not.
Nonetheless, my opinion is that it will be a hard sell in foreign markets, because "Captain America" is associated in most people's minds with the stereotypical arrogant uber-patriot (Millar's Ultimate Cap acknowledges this by basically making Cap into that sort of character, shouting "Do you think this A on my head stands for France?" in response to being asked to surrender, etc.).
I remember around that same time, though, 616 Cap (I forget in what comic) was talking about the bravery of the French resistance, and that's why he was always offended when people called the French collaborators or cowards.
Seriously? Wait, Millar wrote that, right? Well, that explains it.
Superhero (and other big noisy sci fi popcorn) movies seem to be immune to actual failure. Even when they flop domestically, the international revenues step in to take up the slack. I'd bet Thor does about as well as Iron Man 2 ($300M and counting) but skewed towards the foreign market which will make up well over 50% of the total. But it won't reach the heights of the original Iron Man, which was a "true" hit at $600M.
The real gauge of success nowadays is whether a movie generates a sequel and I don't think Thor will, but we'll see the big guy in the Avengers movies anyway.
I think people are way overthinking whether Cap's stars and stripes motif will impact the foreign market. People go see a movie because they hear it kicks ass, regardless of the subject matter. They're just looking for something that will go well with their popcorn.
Mr. Adventure,and of course Dennis,
I stand corrected I just saw the link from comicbook movie,and THOR rocks I can't wait for it to launch in May 2011.
BTW All Marvel movies that I've seen have been on the biggest Drive In Movie screen on east coast "The Bengies Drive In Movie Theater" the owner,and I are good friends ,and he usually gets it on the break that means its first run will be his outdoor movie theater along with indoor theaters.
Well that's all for now.
Signed
Buck Rogers
I stand corrected I just saw the link from comicbook movie,and THOR rocks I can't wait for it to launch in May 2011.
BTW All Marvel movies that I've seen have been on the biggest Drive In Movie screen on east coast "The Bengies Drive In Movie Theater" the owner,and I are good friends ,and he usually gets it on the break that means its first run will be his outdoor movie theater along with indoor theaters.
Well that's all for now.
Signed
Buck Rogers
