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Things you HATED about this show. As much as there are positives about STD there is much CRINGE!

RobertCardassian said:
Also, huge plot holes. Does not bode well for the quality of the writers.

1). Why did they send Sonneqa out in a jetpack suit to fly past the unknown object? In a radiation area, no less. (Which the Shezou's sensors detected easily) PROBES EXISTED IN THE ToS ERA. SEND THEM! DO NOT SEND YOUR 1ST OFFICER FOR NO REASON. Just stupid

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2). How can a human do a Vulcan nerve pinch? She doesn't have the biology to do that. No amount of teaching from Sarek or Spock can give her that ability. Dumb
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On the first point I more or less agree. Even granting that a spacewalk was necessary for a flyby, she shouldn't have been sent alone, especially under these circumstances
(lethal radiation, damaged communications relay recognized as possibly damaged to lure the ship in, the unknown craft in that context)
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But on the second point, no. Only fanon argues against it. Canon supports it:
Data could do a nerve pinch, and he doesn't even have any biology at all.
 
CorporalCaptain said:
On the first point I more or less agree. Even granting that a spacewalk was necessary for a flyby, she shouldn't have been sent alone, especially under these circumstances
(lethal radiation, damaged communications relay recognized as possibly damaged to lure the ship in, the unknown craft in that context)
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A better question is why they sent her at all instead of someone from a race with biology more resistant to radiation?
 
cultcross, on the Soviet thing, doesn't the Undiscovered Country pretty much seal the deal that they're supposed to be an allegory for the Soviets? The whole peace conference at the time of the final days of the USSR.

Also there's this quote from Nimoy. He must have talked about this with Roddenberry before he died and gotten his blessing.

Nimoy visited Meyer's house and suggested, "[What if] the wall comes down in outer space? You know, the Klingons have always been our stand-ins for the Russians..." Meyer recalled that he replied "'Oh, wait a minute! Okay, we start with an intergalactic Chernobyl! Big explosion! We got no more Klingon Empire...!'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country​
 
MakeshiftPython said:
If the Klingons are supposed to be analogs to Trump supporters, doesn't that still make them Russian?.........

*bow*

Thank you. Thank you.
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RobertCardassian said:
Also HATED that holograph thing just because we've never seen anything in that visual format on Trek before. Even in the TNG era, Picard was getting messaged in video form on his desk computer.

It did look cool though
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Honestly It doesn't bother me nearly as much as I thought it would. I could easily see them going "backwards" to view screens again. It was opaque, flickery and even stuttery at times. I could easily see it being one of those dead end inventions that are actually quite common. At some point someone just decided "ehhh, we're just talking. Is this really worth it?"
 
RobertCardassian said:
cultcross, on the Soviet thing, doesn't the Undiscovered Country pretty much seal the deal that they're supposed to be an allegory for the Soviets? The whole peace conference at the time of the final days of the USSR.
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That was a time when they were used as an analogy for the iron curtain coming down, sure. But that doesn't make it canon that they're Soviets. They were just the big bad enemy which fitted into that story. They weren't the Soviets in Star Trek III or V, nor in TOS when they acted all fascist. At that point the Romulans were acting more like soviet submarine commanders to our noble American heroes. No species in Trek is canonically an allegory for only one thing except possibly some of TOSs parallel world development shows.

RobertCardassian said:
Also HATED that holograph thing just because we've never seen anything in that visual format on Trek before.
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Yes we have, the E-D had holograms built into the briefing room table, and we've seen holocommunicators before. This is much earlier, granted, but an update on the visually boring flatscreen video was long overdue.
 
Klingons are space Vikings - not similar to the Soviet Union.

Soviet Union would be more the Romulans, operating networks of spies with all that clever duplicity stuff.
 
The Good:
Special effects and set design

The Meh:
All the humans in the show, including the writing staff.

The Bad:
Klingons talking, for god's sakes give them their vocal cords back, they sound like shit.
 
I did laugh at the Admiral's line about how they're not talking if they're fighting. That needed a shot of a Klingon rolling his eyes in response.
 
There was a cringe-worthy amount of exposition...
...but then again, pilot episodes often do have way too much exposition. I'm hoping this will be like most shows and that type of stuff will go away once the series gets going.
 
Generally I enjoyed the first two eps...But that lens flare stuff was really annoying - hopefully they will cut down on that as show finds it feet!
 
RobertCardassian said:
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Also semi spoiler
2). How can a human do a Vulcan nerve pinch? She doesn't have the biology to do that. No amount of teaching from Sarek or Spock can give her that ability. Dumb
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The same way that
Data and Picard did it in TNG. Who ever said that only Vulcans can do it?

There's no need to blame DSC for following things that have already been portrayed in Trek.

Kor
 
The Good.

I liked the way the Klingons were done actually. I liked the way the audience is left with their own curiosity with what the Klingons are up to. That they are obliged to read body language and stuff.

I don't like Burrham as a concept. I think she's a garbled concept rather than a demanding concept. But given that she is a fait accompli, I do see possible potential for that character moving forward. I like Sarek surprisingly enough.

The Meh

The tech is way OTT compared with TOS. I don't want the writers to be looking over their shoulders at TOS in stories and whatnot or having anxiety attacks over canon. I don't want that. But I'd like it if the tech level depicted meshed a little more with TOS.

The bad.

The acting is very vanilla and unconvincing among the Starfleet cast. Yeoh isn't great. Burrham's high spirited nature lifts it only a little.

This series is entertaining OK but it has none of the depth or rigor of some of the iconic series that have been doing the rounds the last number of years. Unless, there's a dramatic upturn in quality I fear this is a dependable cashcow for the makers rather than something edgy and experimental. We'll see. I'm interested enough to watch some more anyways.
 
There's probably too many things to list, but here we go:

* The most glaringly obvious problem, and the one that makes the series irredeemable for me, is that this is an action show when it's supposed to be about exploration, science, diplomacy, and moral dilemmas. I gave JJTrek a pass for this, but in a TV show I expect meat and potatoes, not just ice cream. The captain saying "we're explorers, not soldiers" doesn't mean a damn thing unless we actually see them doing exploration, rather than just firing photon torpedoes at people.

* The series seems to revolve entirely around Michael. She's the Mary Sueiest character I've ever seen. Every single event in the story revolves around her decisions, her feelings, her burden to protect her crew from their own decisions, etc. Obvious author self-insert is obvious. I think she's actually a pretty decent character, but the rest of the ensemble needs to get some attention. She got sentenced to life in prison at the end of the episode and then she's out again in the next episode - give me a break. How about some realistic character development, not a soap opera.

* Unearned faux-dramatic moments. We don't know these characters well enough for any of the over-dramatic bullshit to be interesting. Captain Georgiu is dead - boo hoo, I knew her for, what, 45 minutes? Michael mutinies against her captain in the first episode - again, why do I care? I don't know anything about either of these characters or their relationship yet, so the betrayal means absolutely nothing. For all I know, Michael throwing a fit and neck-pinching her captain is an everyday occurrence.

* The general stupidity and shallowness of the plot. The Vulcan answer to dealing with the Klingons is "shoot phasers at them first so they don't attack us!" What? That's the best we can come up with? The entire two episodes reduced down to one battle between a bunch of ships and then a phaser fight. It's a fanfiction-level plot. I expected more.

* The Klingons. I'm going to ignore the superficial changes because that's just a matter of taste. But they've also been turned into blood-thirsty one-dimensional maniacs, which is boring. I don't want to see ISIS in space. Not in a Star Trek series.

* The dialogue was cringy, with excessive banter and "witty" comments filling every single moment throughout the first episode. It was just wayyy too much chit chat and none of it very memorable.
 
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