Things in Trek that make me go "gah"!

[captcalhoun]

that's because of the Blinovitch Limitation Effect.

 

[The_Baroness]

Actually does sounds like a cool idea for a story.

And yeah, I know about Enterprise Rentacar, is why I used the example.

Thought so - I'm a motor claims handler for my sins...

going by your location, you don't work for LV= by any chance do you?

 

[The_Baroness]

if other species like the Borg can time travel, why don't they just go back to the beginning of the first species evolution and move from there? .

What benefit would the Borg gain from that?
Seems pointless going back to assimilate species that haven't evolved enough to have anything worth adding to their 'perfection'

 

[Pauln6]

Actually does sounds like a cool idea for a story.

And yeah, I know about Enterprise Rentacar, is why I used the example.

Thought so - I'm a motor claims handler for my sins...

going by your location, you don't work for LV= by any chance do you?

No I'm self employed dealing with credit hire claims on behalf of small accident management companies. I'd probably earn a lot more if I sold out my principles and went to work for LV or Direct Line but judging by some of the dumb ass arguments their staff are trained to put forward, I'd need a lobotamy first.

 

[Pauln6]

if other species like the Borg can time travel, why don't they just go back to the beginning of the first species evolution and move from there? .

What benefit would the Borg gain from that?
Seems pointless going back to assimilate species that haven't evolved enough to have anything worth adding to their 'perfection'

They could travel forward in time to the precise moment that the species developed something worth assimilating..? If they overshot and were defeated, they can just travel back to an earlier date like they did in First Contact and create an entirely separate timeline which wouldn't affect them in the present in any way...? Oh right yeah

I guess the goal of the borg is to assimilate the entire multiverse in every possible alternate dimension? I suppose everybody needs a hobby. It's even doable if they could learn that trick that caused Worf to flick through time... but I think you only swap with your alternate world counterpart, and presumably their body remains the same so without borg implants their consciousness would be disconnected from the collective, so maybe not.

 

[The_Baroness]

Thought so - I'm a motor claims handler for my sins...

going by your location, you don't work for LV= by any chance do you?

No I'm self employed dealing with credit hire claims on behalf of small accident management companies. I'd probably earn a lot more if I sold out my principles and went to work for LV or Direct Line but judging by some of the dumb ass arguments their staff are trained to put forward, I'd need a lobotamy first.

Reason I ask was that I used to be a claims handler, and later underwriter for the bournemouth office of LV= (never on the credit hire team though!)

 

[Pauln6]

going by your location, you don't work for LV= by any chance do you?

No I'm self employed dealing with credit hire claims on behalf of small accident management companies. I'd probably earn a lot more if I sold out my principles and went to work for LV or Direct Line but judging by some of the dumb ass arguments their staff are trained to put forward, I'd need a lobotamy first.

Reason I ask was that I used to be a claims handler, and later underwriter for the bournemouth office of LV= (never on the credit hire team though!)

Lol - well I hope your brain is all mended now I do deal with Bournmouth sometimes but most of my troubles are with Direct Line and CIS - LV gets a pass

 

[Geckothan]

Voyager.

 

[DevilEyes]

End result? Interspecies relationships are unusual even in the enlightened time of Star Trek - not because of any bigotry, but because even moreso than the often-fraught variety within one species, they just don't work, and people know this.

You know that from experience?

 

[Penta]

Not bad, not bad.

But seriously, is my conclusion really wrong, DevilEyes? Really off base?

I forget what the stats are for interracial relationships (and Wikipedia isn't being helpful), but they're not exactly high, even accounting for how relatively recently they've become socially acceptable. Presumably there's a reason for it.

 

[BolianAuthor]

I was bound to chime into this sooner or later... lol.

Basically, my only real pet peeves with Trek are the Terracentric aspects of it... for instance, ship names...

I cannot stand any ship names that are named after any human things, including battles, locations of battle, military figures, US Presidents, and to a much lesser degree, even scientists. The scientists I can let pass, but all the other stuff is crap, for the simple reason that one, Starfleet is not a military (or American/western) organization. Two, to put it blunty, I doubt any UFP aliens give a rat's ass about Okinawa or Trafalgar, or Gettysburg... these only mean things to humans... from Earth. I want to see starships named after... are you ready for it... it's gonna sound wild and crazy... SPACE STUFF! There are MORE than enough stellar names to use for starships. Names that sound exotic, too. But the writers prefer to wallow in laziness, and use names of Earth battlegrounds and military/political figures. Why not a ship named after the first Bolian to go faster than light? Or the first Tellarite to make contact with another species? Laziness... that's what it boils down to.

Also, I hate how vague Earth is in Star Trek... we never see any planetary defenses, never see a "battle group" of Starfleet ships circling in orbit of the "heart/core" of the UFP, and only see Spacedock/drydock when we focus on the hero ship... never do we see the vast network of orbital facilities in the background. So I dislike that Earth has a seemingly invisible infrastructure.

 

[T'Girl]

my only real pet peeves with Trek are the Terracentric aspects of it

Also, I hate how vague Earth is in Star Trek

Uhmmm okay ...

for the simple reason that one, Starfleet is not a military

we never see any planetary defenses, never see a "battle group" of Starfleet ships circling in orbit of the "heart/core" of the UFP

But aren't "Battle Groups" kind of military and isn't the "Heart/Core" of the UFP, you know, Earth?

 

[BolianAuthor]

^

Umm... did you bother to READ my post, or just highlight bits at random and paste them in your own post?

 

[scotpens]

. . . I want to see starships named after... are you ready for it... it's gonna sound wild and crazy... SPACE STUFF! There are MORE than enough stellar names to use for starships. Names that sound exotic, too. But the writers prefer to wallow in laziness, and use names of Earth battlegrounds and military/political figures. Why not a ship named after the first Bolian to go faster than light? Or the first Tellarite to make contact with another species? Laziness... that's what it boils down to.

No, what it boils down to is that made-up names in weird alien languages wouldn't mean a thing to most viewers, except for the hardcore fanboys.

And Starfleet IS military, dammit!

 

[T'Girl]

did you bother to READ my post

but ... how would that have been funny?

 

[Myasishchev]

I was bound to chime into this sooner or later... lol.

Basically, my only real pet peeves with Trek are the Terracentric aspects of it... for instance, ship names...

I cannot stand any ship names that are named after any human things, including battles, locations of battle, military figures, US Presidents, and to a much lesser degree, even scientists. The scientists I can let pass, but all the other stuff is crap, for the simple reason that one, Starfleet is not a military (or American/western) organization. Two, to put it blunty, I doubt any UFP aliens give a rat's ass about Okinawa or Trafalgar, or Gettysburg... these only mean things to humans... from Earth. I want to see starships named after... are you ready for it... it's gonna sound wild and crazy... SPACE STUFF! There are MORE than enough stellar names to use for starships. Names that sound exotic, too. But the writers prefer to wallow in laziness, and use names of Earth battlegrounds and military/political figures. Why not a ship named after the first Bolian to go faster than light? Or the first Tellarite to make contact with another species? Laziness... that's what it boils down to.

I dunno, I wouldn't mind more variety, but at the same time I've always really liked the weird historical distance which names from xenocidal military dictatorships give when used without any apparent irony. Sure, let's name a ship Yamato, why not?

(The really sad thing, of course, is that the Yamato isn't even a ship with a career you'd particularly want to emulate, even in spirit--she was obsolete when her keel was laid down, did ten times more harm than good by eating up precious oil, and received a pathetic end to a pathetic life by being sent to beach herself on Okinawa and not even making it there. But, then again, there was that one badass moment at San Bernadino Strait.)

Edit: ha ha, I love this tidbit from the Trek Encyclopedia by way of Mem-Beta

The Yamato had a dedication plaque bearing a motto attributed to Thomas Jefferson: "I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man".

Cognitive dissonance is fun!

 

[JoeD80]

Basically, my only real pet peeves with Trek are the Terracentric aspects of it... for instance, ship names...

I cannot stand any ship names that are named after any human things, including battles, locations of battle, military figures, US Presidents, and to a much lesser degree, even scientists.

Since Starfleet and the UFP are both headquartered on Earth and were founded on Earth, it's fairly logical to use a lot of Earth names.

 

[YARN]

Enterprise is the only ship within range of "X."

Some "thing" is headed toward Earth (and Enterprise is probably the only ship which can intercept).

Borg shields can adapt to phasers but not holographic bullets or Worf's funky boomerang sword.

Four hundred years in the future the centerpiece of the command deck of the most advanced ships in the fleet is... ...a big screen TV.

 

[Cicero]

I was bound to chime into this sooner or later... lol.

Basically, my only real pet peeves with Trek are the Terracentric aspects of it... for instance, ship names...

I cannot stand any ship names that are named after any human things, including battles, locations of battle, military figures, US Presidents, and to a much lesser degree, even scientists. The scientists I can let pass, but all the other stuff is crap, for the simple reason that one, Starfleet is not a military (or American/western) organization. Two, to put it blunty, I doubt any UFP aliens give a rat's ass about Okinawa or Trafalgar, or Gettysburg... these only mean things to humans... from Earth. I want to see starships named after... are you ready for it... it's gonna sound wild and crazy... SPACE STUFF! There are MORE than enough stellar names to use for starships. Names that sound exotic, too. But the writers prefer to wallow in laziness, and use names of Earth battlegrounds and military/political figures. Why not a ship named after the first Bolian to go faster than light? Or the first Tellarite to make contact with another species? Laziness... that's what it boils down to.

I dunno, I wouldn't mind more variety, but at the same time I've always really liked the weird historical distance which names from xenocidal military dictatorships give when used without any apparent irony. Sure, let's name a ship Yamato, why not?

(The really sad thing, of course, is that the Yamato isn't even a ship with a career you'd particularly want to emulate, even in spirit--she was obsolete when her keel was laid down, did ten times more harm than good by eating up precious oil, and received a pathetic end to a pathetic life by being sent to beach herself on Okinawa and not even making it there. But, then again, there was that one badass moment at San Bernadino Strait.)

Edit: ha ha, I love this tidbit from the Trek Encyclopedia by way of Mem-Beta

The Yamato had a dedication plaque bearing a motto attributed to Thomas Jefferson: "I have sworn eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man".

Cognitive dissonance is fun!

Yamato, though, is also the poetic name for Japan, like Columbia for the United States, but more widely used.

 

[JoeD80]

The Japanese Yamato was upgraded to a space battleship in the year 2199 in the classic cartoon, so the Yamato is associated with space for that reason as well.