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Things from other sci-fi you wished to see in TOS....

One thing that was done by a number of shows, notably The Time Tunnel, was to write episodes around stock footage from old movies, as a way to insert cinematic-level spectacle into a TV episode while also saving money with the equivalent of a clip show.

The Time Tunnel wouldn’t exist without that film footage. If I recall correctly, there’s only one episode that doesn’t rely on it, which was "Devil’s Island" (although some episodes used stock footage better and more judiciously than others). I watched an episode with a friend who wanted to try it. After it was over, he said it was like watching TV with someone who kept changing the channel to an old movie throughout the episode.
 
The Time Tunnel wouldn’t exist without that film footage.

Exactly. It's a sci-fi show that was designed to be economical by recycling existing assets. The same thinking theoretically went into Star Trek -- "Let's populate the universe with alien planets that parallel Earth history so we can reuse props, costumes, and scenery pieces from old movies/shows." So it's a surprise that they didn't try to do the same thing with stock footage. For instance, FX shots from When Worlds Collide or Crack in the World could've been used in an episode about an alien planet or Federation colony suffering a global cataclysm.
 
The Time Tunnel wouldn’t exist without that film footage. If I recall correctly, there’s only one episode that doesn’t rely on it, which was "Devil’s Island" (although some episodes used stock footage better and more judiciously than others). I watched an episode with a friend who wanted to try it. After it was over, he said it was like watching TV with someone who kept changing the channel to an old movie throughout the episode.

...and then the writers would also insert aliens into every other episode’s plot. Ugh!
 
Wasn’t stock footage reused when viewing past events through the Guardian of Forever?

A little, sure, and there was one stock shot of the Manhattan skyline in "City" too. Plus stock Cape Canaveral footage in "Assignment: Earth." But I'm talking about writing a whole episode around stock footage -- starting with the footage and then constructing a story around it, as was The Time Tunnel's bread and butter.
 
...and then the writers would also insert aliens into every other episode’s plot. Ugh!

To give them a little credit, they held off on the aliens for as long as they could. They finally brought in aliens but in the past by the 18th episode. They went into the far future to the point when humans were essentially aliens in episode 24 and then the final three episodes had aliens. So out of 30 episodes, only 4 had actual aliens.
 
Star Trek could have done a spacewalk had they wanted to spend the money on it. That they did finally make spacesuits in the underbudgeted third season shows that they only needed a script that justified them.

I think Desilu’s limited technical facilities often had more to do with what we didn’t see than the budget. Fox was a big lot with many more facilities.
 
Star Trek could have done a spacewalk had they wanted to spend the money on it. That they did finally make spacesuits in the underbudgeted third season shows that they only needed a script that justified them.
Wasn't Kirk technically spacewalking when he phased back into our dimension while he was outside the ship floating in space?
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As Christopher said, seeing the shuttlecraft careen through the atmosphere like the Flying Sub on Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea would have been great. If the model effects had been done in-camera like the Fox shows, we may not have had the same versatility, however the FX would have upgraded to HD really nicely. The wires may have shown, but a little digital erasure would have been easy enough.

Irwin Allen's group did their major model shots during the season pre-production, so the Flying Sub, Seaview, Jupiter 2 and space pod shots would be banked for the library. In camera model effects would have made it possible for Apollo to actually be in front of the Enterprise. Which may or may not have looked convincing. But man, the giant creatures and scientists grabbing the Seaview stll look great.
 
Wave-Motion Gun from Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers. Immensely more powerful than any Star Trek Phaser Banks.

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Certainly impressive! I just find it amusing it takes the Death Star less time to charge and fire its primary weapon, one that can disintegrate an entire planet!

Okay, a tad more seriously, I'm pleasantly surprised how close all three versions match each other. Japan has certainly "upped" its live action "game". That first clip looks insanely faithful to both anime versions! Talk about a sense of scale!

Confession time, "StarBlazers" (the heavily edited, "Americanized" and dubbed version of "Spaceship Yamato") was never carried by any station wherever I lived growing up, so I never saw it. And, as an adult, I have not made the effort to seek it out, whatever version. Yes, shameful, I know.
 
Certainly impressive! I just find it amusing it takes the Death Star less time to charge and fire its primary weapon, one that can disintegrate an entire planet!

I'm amused that you make that comparison, because it was Star Blazers that ruined the Death Star's weapon for me. After seeing its impressive depictions of planets slowly turning molten and disintegrating from within before blowing up, the way Star Wars depicted a whole planet's destruction with a simple jump cut to a gasoline explosion seemed pretty ridiculous in comparison. (And the Special Edition adding one of those idiotic Praxis-style 2-D ripples in 3-D space just made it more ridiculous.)
 
To give them a little credit, they held off on the aliens for as long as they could. They finally brought in aliens but in the past by the 18th episode. They went into the far future to the point when humans were essentially aliens in episode 24 and then the final three episodes had aliens. So out of 30 episodes, only 4 had actual aliens.

Yep, the aliens didn't turn up until the eighteenth episode! Then we had six more shows until we saw that future alien civilization of earth in Chase Through Time guest starring Robert Duvall and then finally we got a trilogy of alien episodes to end the series! One of which guest starred Michael Ansara as a silver faced Curator and our travellers are switched to land on a hostile alien planet in the future year of 8433AD! The show had run out of ideas sure but if there had of been a second the plot would have had our two scientists returned home and then have selected missions in time with more alien baddies I'm sure! :crazy:
JB
 
Yep, the aliens didn't turn up until the eighteenth episode! Then we had six more shows until we saw that future alien civilization of earth in Chase Through Time guest starring Robert Duvall and then finally we got a trilogy of alien episodes to end the series! One of which guest starred Michael Ansara as a silver faced Curator and our travellers are switched to land on a hostile alien planet in the future year of 8433AD! The show had run out of ideas sure but if there had of been a second the plot would have had our two scientists returned home and then have selected missions in time with more alien baddies I'm sure! :crazy:
JB

As I recall, some of the Time Tunnel episodes were good, such as the Titanic and Alamo stories. Then there must have been a talent shortage in the writing department or Irwin Allen clamped down on the budget because we started to see recycled aliens/monsters from LIS and VTTBOTS. Destroy! Destroy!
 
Irwin pretty much shared monsters only between Lost in Space and Voyage. The Lost World dinosaur footage wound up on all of his shows, but the actual monsters stayed off The Time Tunnel. However, the alien makeups did get reused. Silver face paint was his standard, but the some of the alien heads and his "white nylon over the face" masks usually reserved for androids hit Time Tunnel. by the end.

Irwin's shows had a habit of front loading the money. The first episodes of each of his series were usually more impressive than later. The Time Tunnel, though, still always had normal to large guest casts. Voyage was the very definition of "bottle show" by its third season, with maybe one or two guests mixed among the background players. Often, stories would be written to give the Seaview a skeleton crew while a dude in a sheet or a disembodied voice would threaten the crew. Or, as Irwin was most fond, one of the leads either brainwashed, taken over, turned evil or a dastardly duplicate.

Lost In Space could get away with just the main cast and one alien per week on standing sets, but by the end of the second season, it was looking like a children's stage play. It felt as if money which should have been spent on those shows was poured into The Time Tunnel, at least as far as paying actors and somewhat better writers (Voyage had William Welch penning most of them and LIS had Peter Packer). However, over the run of the series, even the guest actors were low salary character actors or Irwin's regular standbys.

Time Tunnel could be a great show for the day when it tried, there was some very strong episodes in the beginning. Then it settled for just being fun, but at worst, it was dull. Not as much of a chore as Land of the Giants, which was the same thing every week until they embraced the goofy in the late second season.
 
Irwin pretty much shared monsters only between Lost in Space and Voyage. The Lost World dinosaur footage wound up on all of his shows, but the actual monsters stayed off The Time Tunnel. However, the alien makeups did get reused. Silver face paint was his standard, but the some of the alien heads and his "white nylon over the face" masks usually reserved for androids hit Time Tunnel. by the end.

In The Time Tunnel's "Chase Through Time," I think the Magister's bulgey-head makeup appliance was the same one used for the Vians in Star Trek's "The Empath" nearly 2 years later, or at least uncannily similar. (The aforementioned Lost World footage was in that same episode.)


Irwin's shows had a habit of front loading the money. The first episodes of each of his series were usually more impressive than later.

Yup. The first few episodes of Lost in Space are the most epic (although most of the big action and spectacle are from the original pilot), and the first few Time Tunnel episodes show off the fantastic miniatures and matte paintings of the implausibly huge Project Tic Toc complex better than the rest of the series does. The writing in the early TTT episodes was more dramatic too, like in the Pearl Harbor episode.
 
The one factor that The Time Tunnel didn't have that LIS, VTTBOTS and LOTG did was writer Peter Packer! The man responsible for The Great Vegetable Rebellion! :evil:
JB
 
The one factor that The Time Tunnel didn't have that LIS, VTTBOTS and LOTG did was writer Peter Packer! The man responsible for The Great Vegetable Rebellion! :evil:
JB
Packer also wrote Return from Outer Space and a bunch of other solid episodes. Gene Coon wrote Spock’s Brain, they can’t all be gems. Packer also did write one episode of Land of the Giants and did credited work on one episode of Voyage. But LIS was the show he spent the most time on.
 
I wish they had done a little more exploration of scientific and technological ideas that were new at the time and already featured in literary SF. The Bussard ramjet propulsion method, for instance. It would have been interesting to integrate that into Starfleet vessels.

Kor
 
I wish they had done a little more exploration of scientific and technological ideas that were new at the time and already featured in literary SF. The Bussard ramjet propulsion method, for instance. It would have been interesting to integrate that into Starfleet vessels.

You know they did exactly that in TNG, right? Rick Sternbach had worked with Robert Bussard earlier in his career and done art of Bussard ramjet starships for Carl Sagan's Cosmos, so when he became TNG's technical advisor, he interpreted the red nacelle domes as Bussard collectors.
 
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