they nailed?
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Yes..you are right. I just got the soundtrack and I love those cool little titles...
Rob
Yes..you are right. I just got the soundtrack and I love those cool little titles...
Rob
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Pine and Urban did a great job at the quirks and mannerisms of the original actors without overtly imitating them. Quinto didn't play the mannerisms part so much. He pretty much did his own thing and did a darn good job at it. Superb casting in this film overall.
And I don't pay much attention to "canon violations" and such. I just sit down and enjoy the movie, and this was one great movie, not just a great ST movie.
Pine and Urban did a great job at the quirks and mannerisms of the original actors without overtly imitating them. Quinto didn't play the mannerisms part so much. He pretty much did his own thing and did a darn good job at it. Superb casting in this film overall.
And I don't pay much attention to "canon violations" and such. I just sit down and enjoy the movie, and this was one great movie, not just a great ST movie.
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They nailed most of the actors (especially the important ones) and they nailed the characterizations and the chemistry among the characters -- especially between Kirk and Spock. I always felt it is this chemistry among Kirk and Spock (and McCoy) that has been the halmark of good Star Trek films. Even First Contact excelled because it concentrated on character chemistry (albeit of the TNG characters).
I don't go for the "Star Trek is about great philosophical ideals" argument. Perhaps a few TV episodes were, but not the best of the films. The good films were ALWAYS first and foremost about the hero characters. Plot is secondary, and only there to give the characters a stage on which to act.
Star Trek movies work best as a "buddy film" -- TWoK, TVH, TUC, FC were all "Buddy Films".
They didn't nail the pacing (too fast), and each scene did not last long enough. I would just start getting interested in a scene, but then they would pull the rug from under me and switch to another scene. Hopefully the next film will be a bit of a slower pace because they only need to tell one story rather than the way STXI had to fit the origin stories together with the antogist's story.
Also, they nailed McCoy, but need to include him into the decision-making process. Kirk needs both of his confidantes/sounding boards -- Spock and McCoy. (this again goes back to that all-important chemistry among the characters)
They nailed most of the actors (especially the important ones) and they nailed the characterizations and the chemistry among the characters -- especially between Kirk and Spock. I always felt it is this chemistry among Kirk and Spock (and McCoy) that has been the halmark of good Star Trek films. Even First Contact excelled because it concentrated on character chemistry (albeit of the TNG characters).
I don't go for the "Star Trek is about great philosophical ideals" argument. Perhaps a few TV episodes were, but not the best of the films. The good films were ALWAYS first and foremost about the hero characters. Plot is secondary, and only there to give the characters a stage on which to act.
Star Trek movies work best as a "buddy film" -- TWoK, TVH, TUC, FC were all "Buddy Films".
They didn't nail the pacing (too fast), and each scene did not last long enough. I would just start getting interested in a scene, but then they would pull the rug from under me and switch to another scene. Hopefully the next film will be a bit of a slower pace because they only need to tell one story rather than the way STXI had to fit the origin stories together with the antogist's story.
Also, they nailed McCoy, but need to include him into the decision-making process. Kirk needs both of his confidantes/sounding boards -- Spock and McCoy. (this again goes back to that all-important chemistry among the characters)
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They also nailed the visual style. It LOOKED more like a movie and less like a 2 hour episode
They also nailed the visual style. It LOOKED more like a movie and less like a 2 hour episode
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I agree.
Was it me or did they over do the "lens flares". My god. It got tired really quickly.
I agree.
Was it me or did they over do the "lens flares". My god. It got tired really quickly.
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Urban was pretty bad as McCoy. He kept doing a Deforest impersonation. The scenes on the bridge were painful to watch.
Urban was pretty bad as McCoy. He kept doing a Deforest impersonation. The scenes on the bridge were painful to watch.
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I agree. All of the casting was spot on. They fit their roles perfectly, and do look like they'll work as a crew. The chemistry between all of them is amazing.
I agree. All of the casting was spot on. They fit their roles perfectly, and do look like they'll work as a crew. The chemistry between all of them is amazing.
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Right and right. Besides the good casting, the actors seemed to have the right rapport. Pine and Quinto seemed like they could communicate with just their eyes and expressions. If they hadn't been able to do that, all the individual abilities each had to play his character wouldn't have mattered.
Now, they need to work McCoy into the mix.
Right and right. Besides the good casting, the actors seemed to have the right rapport. Pine and Quinto seemed like they could communicate with just their eyes and expressions. If they hadn't been able to do that, all the individual abilities each had to play his character wouldn't have mattered.
Now, they need to work McCoy into the mix.
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Goosebump moments for me were:
- the opening with Kelvin/Kirk's birth/right into title
- Enterprise fleeing the black hole at the end....small Enterprise with shockwave behind it....(only saw it once so far, so am not sure)
I enjoyed Kirk, McCoy and Scotty the most from the whole cast. I also would love to see more of Pike in the future.
Goosebump moments for me were:
- the opening with Kelvin/Kirk's birth/right into title
- Enterprise fleeing the black hole at the end....small Enterprise with shockwave behind it....(only saw it once so far, so am not sure)
I enjoyed Kirk, McCoy and Scotty the most from the whole cast. I also would love to see more of Pike in the future.
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Bad? I thought Karl Urban was the best actor out of all of them. He absolutely nailed the part of McCoy down to the bone. I think De Kelley would have been proud.
Bad? I thought Karl Urban was the best actor out of all of them. He absolutely nailed the part of McCoy down to the bone. I think De Kelley would have been proud.
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Sound FX nailed pretty well. Loved the subwoofer punch when going to warp.
Also loved the coming-out-of-warp footage - cooler than ever.
Spock's ship -
Sound FX nailed pretty well. Loved the subwoofer punch when going to warp.
Also loved the coming-out-of-warp footage - cooler than ever.
Spock's ship -
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The chemistry and camaraderie of the crew as well as the whimsy of the adventure. I've always maintained that, as an integral part of the 60s, TOS felt a bit like the Rat Pack in Space, and seeing the crew come together around Kirk the way the Pack did with Sinatra was just great.
For that matter, I loved the urgency everyone felt (I hate how, in TNG, if there was an emergency on the ship, everyone would just calmly walk. VOY characters just looked bored in the face of danger, too).
One little thing: I love how slow and deliberate ships are once again. The Defiant has an excuse in being a killing machine, but I thought Voyager and the E-E, among other ships, were a little too swift; rather than the point-and-shoot battles of later Trek, I quite preferred the slower, more strategic, dramatically paced battles of the TOS movies and TNG.
The chemistry and camaraderie of the crew as well as the whimsy of the adventure. I've always maintained that, as an integral part of the 60s, TOS felt a bit like the Rat Pack in Space, and seeing the crew come together around Kirk the way the Pack did with Sinatra was just great.
For that matter, I loved the urgency everyone felt (I hate how, in TNG, if there was an emergency on the ship, everyone would just calmly walk. VOY characters just looked bored in the face of danger, too).
One little thing: I love how slow and deliberate ships are once again. The Defiant has an excuse in being a killing machine, but I thought Voyager and the E-E, among other ships, were a little too swift; rather than the point-and-shoot battles of later Trek, I quite preferred the slower, more strategic, dramatically paced battles of the TOS movies and TNG.
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You have got to be kidding me. This movie had some of the worst cinematography i've ever seen. I just can't get into the shakey hand held camera trend; especially in a summer popcorn where millions are spent on set pieces and special effects. Why put a special effect into a movie if they're going to shake the camera around so much I can't see it?
As to the original question, I'd say they nailed the characters. I was skeptical as to whether they could recreate the original characters with different actors, and they pulled it off.
You have got to be kidding me. This movie had some of the worst cinematography i've ever seen. I just can't get into the shakey hand held camera trend; especially in a summer popcorn where millions are spent on set pieces and special effects. Why put a special effect into a movie if they're going to shake the camera around so much I can't see it?
As to the original question, I'd say they nailed the characters. I was skeptical as to whether they could recreate the original characters with different actors, and they pulled it off.
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They nailed a lot of things, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the casting of young Spock. The actor's name is Jacob Kogan. Not only was his acting spot on, but he really looked like he could grow up to be Quinto's Spock. In fact, the entire scene at the Vulcan school was amazing--the casting, the acting, and the scenic design. Exactly what a Vulcan school might look like!
They nailed a lot of things, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the casting of young Spock. The actor's name is Jacob Kogan. Not only was his acting spot on, but he really looked like he could grow up to be Quinto's Spock. In fact, the entire scene at the Vulcan school was amazing--the casting, the acting, and the scenic design. Exactly what a Vulcan school might look like!
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"I presume you have prepared new insults for today?"
Spot on perfect.
"I presume you have prepared new insults for today?"
Spot on perfect.
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Yep. The most successful single element - and the movie was mainly successful elements with only a few not-very-important flaws - was Quinto as Spock. In his scenes with Nimoy, I started to realize I had completely gone over to thinking of Quinto's Spock was the "real" one. Quite an accomplishment in under two hours.
The whole sequence involving Vulcan's destruction ranks as among the greatest in Trek now. Right up there with "Rocks & Shoals," the ending of "Sacrifice of Angels" and the Damar-Kira-Odo-Garak stuff in the latter half of DS9's S7 in my personal pantheon.
Yep. The most successful single element - and the movie was mainly successful elements with only a few not-very-important flaws - was Quinto as Spock. In his scenes with Nimoy, I started to realize I had completely gone over to thinking of Quinto's Spock was the "real" one. Quite an accomplishment in under two hours.
The whole sequence involving Vulcan's destruction ranks as among the greatest in Trek now. Right up there with "Rocks & Shoals," the ending of "Sacrifice of Angels" and the Damar-Kira-Odo-Garak stuff in the latter half of DS9's S7 in my personal pantheon.
I agree, but this is going to be tricky given that they're stuck with two hour movies every (ugh) two years. That kind of interpersonal development requires quiet time on screen to pull off. It would be so much better on TV. They have a lot they could do and hardly any screen time to work with, and most of the movie time will have to be noisy and action packed.
Yeah, that kid was downright eerie. Quinto better watch his back because if they ever want to recast the role again, in about 15 years...
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