they nailed?

[RobertScorpio]

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I also loved the scene where Spock and the Vulcans materialized on the Enterprise platform without his mother. the look on his face! Quinto is a powerful actor.

Yep. The most successful single element - and the movie was mainly successful elements with only a few not-very-important flaws - was Quinto as Spock. In his scenes with Nimoy, I started to realize I had completely gone over to thinking of Quinto's Spock was the "real" one. Quite an accomplishment in under two hours.

The whole sequence involving Vulcan's destruction ranks as among the greatest in Trek now. Right up there with "Rocks & Shoals," the ending of "Sacrifice of Angels" and the Damar-Kira-Odo-Garak stuff in the latter half of DS9's S7 in my personal pantheon.

Also, they nailed McCoy, but need to include him into the decision-making process. Kirk needs both of his confidantes/sounding boards -- Spock and McCoy. (this again goes back to that all-important chemistry among the characters)

I agree, but this is going to be tricky given that they're stuck with two hour movies every (ugh) two years. That kind of interpersonal development requires quiet time on screen to pull off. It would be so much better on TV. They have a lot they could do and hardly any screen time to work with, and most of the movie time will have to be noisy and action packed.

They nailed a lot of things, but one thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the casting of young Spock. The actor's name is Jacob Kogan. Not only was his acting spot on, but he really looked like he could grow up to be Quinto's Spock.

Yeah, that kid was downright eerie. Quinto better watch his back because if they ever want to recast the role again, in about 15 years...

Great reasoning to your statements..and I totally agree with them...

Robert Scorpio

 

[Opal1]

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I know many people hate the lens flares but I love the light and the colors of the movie.

But IMHO the most important thing they (thankfully) got 100% right is the cast, esp. Quinto.

 

[The]

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Everything

This.

 

[Cakes488]

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Goosebump moments for me were:
- the opening with Kelvin/Kirk's birth/right into title
- Enterprise fleeing the black hole at the end....small Enterprise with shockwave behind it....(only saw it once so far, so am not sure)

I enjoyed Kirk, McCoy and Scotty the most from the whole cast. I also would love to see more of Pike in the future.

See this part with Kirk being born right as his father is being killed...made me groan. It was like film making 101, woman gives birth as shuttle craft is being expelled from the prise....maybe next time we can see kirk being conceived as a train goes thru a tunnel... my hopes were a little dashed after seeing that scene...but gladly I liked the movie as a whole.

I'd say they nailed the space shots. Also they gave Trek a scope and depth it never had before.

What do you mean by "depth"...

Everything

Oh come on now....have you been drinking again? I thought you gave it up for good this time!! Not one complaint huh...? Nonsense!

 

[RobertScorpio]

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Goosebump moments for me were:
- the opening with Kelvin/Kirk's birth/right into title
- Enterprise fleeing the black hole at the end....small Enterprise with shockwave behind it....(only saw it once so far, so am not sure)

I enjoyed Kirk, McCoy and Scotty the most from the whole cast. I also would love to see more of Pike in the future.

See this part with Kirk being born right as his father is being killed...made me groan. It was like film making 101, woman gives birth as shuttle craft is being expelled from the prise....maybe next time we can see kirk being conceived as a train goes thru a tunnel... my hopes were a little dashed after seeing that scene...but gladly I liked the movie as a whole.

I'd say they nailed the space shots. Also they gave Trek a scope and depth it never had before.

What do you mean by "depth"...

Everything

Oh come on now....have you been drinking again? I thought you gave it up for good this time!! Not one complaint huh...? Nonsense!

The movie worked..and it worked in all the scenes you didn't think it worked. Oh well...we can't always be right.

Rob

 

[CommanderRaytas]

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Sountrack is pretty much flawless.

Seconded. Everything else rocks, too, especially the characterisation.

 

[Franklin]

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See this part with Kirk being born right as his father is being killed...made me groan. It was like film making 101, woman gives birth as shuttle craft is being expelled from the prise....maybe next time we can see kirk being conceived as a train goes thru a tunnel... my hopes were a little dashed after seeing that scene...but gladly I liked the movie as a whole.

Wow. Just wow. I mean, you're correct, I suppose. Accurate as hell. And it's weird. I'm impressed, but at the same time I'm kinda glad that the metaphor didn't occur to me. Still, I'll never see that scene the same way again.

 

[theFirebottle]

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See this part with Kirk being born right as his father is being killed...made me groan. It was like film making 101, woman gives birth as shuttle craft is being expelled from the prise....maybe next time we can see kirk being conceived as a train goes thru a tunnel... my hopes were a little dashed after seeing that scene...but gladly I liked the movie as a whole.

Wow. Just wow. I mean, you're correct, I suppose. Accurate as hell. And it's weird. I'm impressed, but at the same time I'm kinda glad that the metaphor didn't occur to me. Still, I'll never see that scene the same way again.

Err... not accurate as all, since she gave birth well after the shuttlecraft was gone from the bay.

 

[RobertScorpio]

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See this part with Kirk being born right as his father is being killed...made me groan. It was like film making 101, woman gives birth as shuttle craft is being expelled from the prise....maybe next time we can see kirk being conceived as a train goes thru a tunnel... my hopes were a little dashed after seeing that scene...but gladly I liked the movie as a whole.

Wow. Just wow. I mean, you're correct, I suppose. Accurate as hell. And it's weird. I'm impressed, but at the same time I'm kinda glad that the metaphor didn't occur to me. Still, I'll never see that scene the same way again.

Err... not accurate as all, since she gave birth well after the shuttlecraft was gone from the bay.

That kind of ticky-tac nitpick (not yours but the earlier one who pokes fun at the the kirk birth scene) is really reaching. The scene works because the theatre crowds I have seen it with, five times now, all "GET IT". And thats the point here. I can only shake my head and read such posts and laught at...as kirk would say...the superior intellect.

Rob

 

[Franklin]

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See this part with Kirk being born right as his father is being killed...made me groan. It was like film making 101, woman gives birth as shuttle craft is being expelled from the prise....maybe next time we can see kirk being conceived as a train goes thru a tunnel... my hopes were a little dashed after seeing that scene...but gladly I liked the movie as a whole.

Wow. Just wow. I mean, you're correct, I suppose. Accurate as hell. And it's weird. I'm impressed, but at the same time I'm kinda glad that the metaphor didn't occur to me. Still, I'll never see that scene the same way again.

Err... not accurate as all, since she gave birth well after the shuttlecraft was gone from the bay.

Well either way, it's the image. I mean, give Cakes some props for stretching his imagination. I mean, the timing didn't have to be spot on.

 

[VulKhan]

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I also loved the scene where Spock and the Vulcans materialized on the Enterprise platform without his mother. the look on his face! Quinto is a powerful actor.

I agree, that was a powerful little scene. We know Spock's half Vulcan/half human and in this scene he just looked as If he was about to cry, for a few short seconds, y'know. And he just goes off, without ssaying a world. I thought that was pretty well played by Zachary Quinto, too.
I love him, think he's done a great job at playing Spock, even though it's a different Spock to dear Leonard Nimoy's.
But it worked. The whole new cast worked, in my opinion. Strangely, however, I have to admit that when I first saw Chris Pine in the movie I wasn't so sure. I mean, I liked his performance and all and he does a wonderful job and keeps those little Shatner's Kirk- mannerisms alive, but he was still the only one of the new cast where I thought at first 'Hmm....something's wrong.'
For whatever reason I guess it just was very hard for me to get used to someone else but Shatner playing Kirk, you see. Cause after I watched a lot of interviews with Chris Pine and after thinking about it a few days later, I actually came to the conclusion that Chris is, in fact, the right one for the role.

So, I liked the movie a lot and in my opinion they nailed about everything. Except for maybe the pace. It was, as some already pointed out, a little hectic and fast and not at all like the TOS series and the older films. There's definitely a great difference between the new and the old ones. But hey, that don't matter. It's a great film, a fantastic revival and I absolutely can't wait to see more!!

 

[Hyperspace05]

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The cinematography. Wow.

You have got to be kidding me. This movie had some of the worst cinematography i've ever seen. I just can't get into the shakey hand held camera trend; especially in a summer popcorn where millions are spent on set pieces and special effects.

What does the camera shaking (or not shaking) have to do with cinematography? Answer: Very little, if anything. Camera shake (or less camera shake) is just another artistic choice made by the director and DOP. You may not like it, but directors use it for a reason - to convey a feeling.

That use of 'shaky cam' completely negates the cinematographic aspects of framing, lighting, and camera movement into being the "worst cinematography i've ever seen" is just absurd, and really does show you lack of knowledge in the subject.

I certainly think that this was the most beautifully shot Star Trek film in a VERY LONG time... rivaled only by TMP.

Why put a special effect into a movie if they're going to shake the camera around so much I can't see it?

You need to either A) consult an optician or B) don't sit in first row of the movie theater.

 

[FailedLurker]

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The shuttle leaving the bay as Winona is in labor is so bad, I've almost convinced myself that it's unintentional. They couldn't have done that on purpose, could they?

 

[indranee]

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See this part with Kirk being born right as his father is being killed...made me groan. It was like film making 101, woman gives birth as shuttle craft is being expelled from the prise....maybe next time we can see kirk being conceived as a train goes thru a tunnel... my hopes were a little dashed after seeing that scene...but gladly I liked the movie as a whole.

Wow. Just wow. I mean, you're correct, I suppose. Accurate as hell. And it's weird. I'm impressed, but at the same time I'm kinda glad that the metaphor didn't occur to me. Still, I'll never see that scene the same way again.

it's in the novelization too

so, yes, it was intentional. sometimes, metaphors work. at others, it's better not to think about it too much. just enjoy the scene.

 

[FemurBone]

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The cinematography. Wow.

You have got to be kidding me. This movie had some of the worst cinematography i've ever seen. I just can't get into the shakey hand held camera trend; especially in a summer popcorn where millions are spent on set pieces and special effects.

What does the camera shaking (or not shaking) have to do with cinematography? Answer: Very little, if anything...

WRONG!!!!!!! The correct answer is everything!

Camera shake (or less camera shake) is just another artistic choice made by the director and DOP. You may not like it, but directors use it for a reason - to convey a feeling..

They use it because they don't know what the hell they're doing!

That use of 'shaky cam' completely negates the cinematographic aspects of framing, lighting, and camera movement into being the "worst cinematography i've ever seen" is just absurd, and really does show you lack of knowledge in the subject.

No it shows your poor taste in cinematography!

I certainly think that this was the most beautifully shot Star Trek film in a VERY LONG time... rivaled only by TMP.

TMP was beautifully shot. Star Trek looked like an crappy home movie!

Why put a special effect into a movie if they're going to shake the camera around so much I can't see it?

You need to either A) consult an optician or B) don't sit in first row of the movie theater.

and the correct answer is C) Avoid movies by JJ Abrams!

 

[indranee]

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had too many red bulls today?

 

[pookha]

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the casting was just great.