The "bowls" burnham did her test in in a flashback were similar to '09 and Spock. One flashback to Vulcan had a ship that looked very similar to the one from first contact.
News They can't use stuff from ANY Trek movie!
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I’m pretty sure what Erika means is that they cannot use content from the films (i.e. stock footage, props made specifically for the movie, etc.), because that stuff belongs to Paramount. But CBS owns the intellectual property that is Star Trek. So if they wanted to show Sybok in DSC, they could, as long as they don’t show footage of Lawrence Luckinbill from STV.
And btw, the Klingons look like they do in DSC to completely hide the fact that there was an actor with dual roles in the show.
And btw, the Klingons look like they do in DSC to completely hide the fact that there was an actor with dual roles in the show.
CBS can do what they want with Star Trek on the small screen...
He’s talking about the current films, I.e the KT. Which he also worked on.
They're not allowed to have stuff from the movies? But we've already seen stuff from the movies!
-When at Red Alert, the bridge computers display that "Alert: Condition Red" icon from the movies.
-Starship bridges have a windshield just like in the Abrams movies.
-The Vulcan schools are designed the exact same way as the ones from Trek XI.
-Likewise, the medal ceremony is at an auditorium which looks very similar to the auditorium in Trek XI.
-At the medal ceremony we see officers wearing Kelvin uniforms.
We know the separation of Paramount and CBS had no impact on what Pocket Books could use. They are still able to reference and use anything from the ten Prime Universe films. They can not touch the Abrams films because of Bad Robot, not because of Paramount.
I'm calling bullshit on this. Cue up a Senator Vreenak meme, people.
-When at Red Alert, the bridge computers display that "Alert: Condition Red" icon from the movies.
-Starship bridges have a windshield just like in the Abrams movies.
-The Vulcan schools are designed the exact same way as the ones from Trek XI.
-Likewise, the medal ceremony is at an auditorium which looks very similar to the auditorium in Trek XI.
-At the medal ceremony we see officers wearing Kelvin uniforms.
We know the separation of Paramount and CBS had no impact on what Pocket Books could use. They are still able to reference and use anything from the ten Prime Universe films. They can not touch the Abrams films because of Bad Robot, not because of Paramount.
I'm calling bullshit on this. Cue up a Senator Vreenak meme, people.
That's speculation, as far as I know. They look different because every new Trek makeup designer has put their own individualized spin on the designs of the Klingons, Romulans, Andorians, etc. This is something like the 8th different Klingon design -- we've had Kor/Kang-style, Kras/Koloth-style, TMP-style (all Fred Phillips), TSFS-style (the Burman Studios), TNG-etc. style (Michael Westmore), TVH-TUC style (Richard Snell), Kelvin style (Neville Page), and now DSC-style (also Page).
If Klingons have gotten more "alien" over time, I see that as successive generations of makeup designers (or the same designers revisiting the universe at a later time) wanting to take advantage of advances in prosthetic makeup technology or increased budgets to experiment with more exotic designs. That's why Klingons became ridged in TMP and after, and it's probably why the two new types of Klingon we've gotten in the past decade have had the most elaborate prosthetics yet. Artists like to innovate and explore new methods. The designers of DSC's sets, costumes, equipment, etc. have all had free rein to redesign everything as radically as they wanted, so there doesn't need to be a specific explanation for why the Klingons were redesigned as radically as the rest.
Those look like Cage uniforms to me.
I don't think they can really have exclusivity over designs like those.
Besides all the examples people have given already of film elements in use in DSC, there is enormous crossover between the films and the series that came after (and between) them. Is that corridor (you know the one) a TMP set, a STII, III, V and VI set, or a TNG set, or a VOY set? What about the much redressed transporter room? Or the engineering set that was used without changes in STVI and TNG? The monster maroons are all over the TV shows, as are the STFC greytops. What about episodes like Flashback or the ENT Borg ep which lift wholesale from the movies?
There's simply no sensible way to divide TC show and Movie - they are a shared canon and constantly used elements from each other for years. It would be an almost impossible distinction to draw.
Even if she's referring specifically to the JJVerse movies, there is crossover between series and film to the extent that the amount of elements actually uniquely created by the JJverse is pretty limited. It would amount to a handful of minor characters, some concepts like red matter, and visual elements such as uniforms and ships which DSC haven't used anyway.
Edit to add: also in pre production they cited one of the movies, TUC, as a key source of inspiration, and hired its director!
There's simply no sensible way to divide TC show and Movie - they are a shared canon and constantly used elements from each other for years. It would be an almost impossible distinction to draw.
Even if she's referring specifically to the JJVerse movies, there is crossover between series and film to the extent that the amount of elements actually uniquely created by the JJverse is pretty limited. It would amount to a handful of minor characters, some concepts like red matter, and visual elements such as uniforms and ships which DSC haven't used anyway.
Edit to add: also in pre production they cited one of the movies, TUC, as a key source of inspiration, and hired its director!
Maybe if it's appeared in a TV series prior to the CBS/Paramount split, it's fair game? And if so...
...could these ones not be easter eggs snuck in "under the radar", so to speak? Not unlike all the ST'09 references in the novelverse since 2009.
An emblem derivative of Franz' old one, not his exact one.
Exactly. In other words, he's not addressing the issue Erika Lippold brings up at all but is talking about Vulcan not blowing up in 2258, George Kirk not being dead etc rather than any CBS/Paramount legalities
If it turns out Erika Lippold was entirely wrong, it doesn't speak well of the Discovery team that their own writers have no idea what they can and cannot include.
Another glaring exception...
The Delta Patten in the Discovery Uniforms was created by the JJ-Trek Costume Designers.
One would think that the Producers of DISCOVERY are mostly talking outta their arses on occasion.
No wonder the show has so many questionable problems with it.
The Delta Patten in the Discovery Uniforms was created by the JJ-Trek Costume Designers.
One would think that the Producers of DISCOVERY are mostly talking outta their arses on occasion.
No wonder the show has so many questionable problems with it.
This has been a trend in costuming even before the JJ movies. The design for Kal-El's suit in Superman Returns featured the S-crest throughout the material. It's not Trek-specific.Another glaring exception...
The Delta Patten in the Discovery Uniforms was created by the JJ-Trek Costume Designers.
One would think that the Producers of DISCOVERY are mostly talking outta their arses on occasion.
No wonder the show has so many questionable problems with it.
This. Anything pre-split can be used by both parties. Anything during split is owned by CBS and Paramount/Viacom respectively. Just hurry up and remerge already.
No, it doesn't. A team, by its nature, has different members with different responsibilities. Lippoldt's responsibility is to write and edit scripts. Working out legal clearances and permissions and such is the legal department's responsibility, or that of the executive producers several tiers above Lippoldt in the hierarchy. If one member of a team doesn't know something, they ask the person who does. That's what teams are for.
According to a recent dev stream it was revealed that STO made a deal with Paramount for permission to use the KT Movie stuff.
Mind you that was coming from an artist not someone higher up, so he might be mistake.
I don't know the details about the legality, but I would speculate this is more of a "gentleman's agreement", albiet, probably a legally bound one via contract, to not steal materials from Kelvin Timeline films. A fourth Kelvin timeline film is up in the air right now, and Paramount might want to avoid brand confusion with CBS using Kelvin timeline stuff.
If I understand correctly though, CBS does in fact own ALL of Star Trek, and could probably use Kelvin timeline stuff if they ABOSLUTELY WANTED TO, but they might have to pay a legal penalty for breaching an agreement with Paramount.
If I understand correctly though, CBS does in fact own ALL of Star Trek, and could probably use Kelvin timeline stuff if they ABOSLUTELY WANTED TO, but they might have to pay a legal penalty for breaching an agreement with Paramount.
KT stuff is a separate more expensive license cos of Bad Robot/Paramount. CBS has ultimate say though. They can cut deals with other licensees (like Bad Robot/Paramount essentially are) hence things like some novel verse characters, the Vesta class and the Luna class. But it’s more complex. Same is true for likeness rights etc.
Well the Luna design is directly owned by CBS, that was a stipulation in the contest rules IIRC.
The Vesta however, the design is owned by Radmaker, CBS and Cryptic had to cut a deal with him to use it in the game. The executive producer on the game at the time said it was a pain in the you know where to work it out.
