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These Are The Voyages Volumes 4 and 5...

It wasn't addressed in TNG. It was touched on in DS9 and then elaborated on in ENT. But it's an explanation that is much more interesting than what they did in ENT. I seem to recall it' became the fanon explanation after TMP was released.

But aren't the books suppose to be about the production of TOS? Using various production notes to give us an accurate history?

I can make up anything I want and pass it off as fact as well.
 
In the first volume (at least in the first edition; I don't know if he corrected this later), Cushman claimed that TNG explained TOS Klingons by saying the Empire contains many different species. Given that level of knowledge, I don't want Cushman anywhere near TNG.

He's wrong about the claim, but that IS my personal favorite explanation for the foreheads. After all, the US armed services (for example) feature people from all the nation's multicultural heritages.
We also accept people into the Armed Forces who aren't Americans. I can't see the Klingons doing that. Or arming a subject race. The honor and glory of military service seems to be reserved for "ethnic" Klingons. America has been multi-ethnic from the start.

The old FASA guide ( the one I have is from 1987) uses the idea of Klingon-Human fusions to explain the TOS Klingons. Though a lot the FASA material seems to come from John Ford's books.
 
It's just possible Cushman misremembered where the explanation came from in terms of which show from the contemporary Trek era given how the writers and producers were into cross-referencing things. TNG did start exploring the Klingons more intently and it carried on throughout DS9, VOY and ENT. He didn't make up the explanation (it did happen onscreen), but the show he references is wrong. I'm not saying that is how it happened but how it possibly could have happened.
 
It's just possible Cushman misremembered where the explanation came from in terms of which show from the contemporary Trek era given how the writers and producers were into cross-referencing things. TNG did start exploring the Klingons more intently and it carried on throughout DS9, VOY and ENT. He didn't make up the explanation (it did happen onscreen), but the show he references is wrong. I'm not saying that is how it happened but how it possibly could have happened.
Where does the multi-racial explanation appear on screen?

As a historian/author it's his job to get things right. His recollections are the last thing that should go into the book. If he can't source it, he shouldn't include it.
 
its just one of the many errors that are present. i don't know why people keep trying to take up for Cushman. oh, he did so much research and put a lot of effort into it. ok, so what? we should give him an A for effort even though he continues to get things wrong? or draw inaccurate conclusions about the ratings. or refuses to admit he might be wrong about including fanart. at some point you just have to go, this guy is full of it and i'm not supporting his shit.
 
It's just possible Cushman misremembered where the explanation came from in terms of which show from the contemporary Trek era given how the writers and producers were into cross-referencing things. TNG did start exploring the Klingons more intently and it carried on throughout DS9, VOY and ENT. He didn't make up the explanation (it did happen onscreen), but the show he references is wrong. I'm not saying that is how it happened but how it possibly could have happened.
Where does the multi-racial explanation appear on screen?

As a historian/author it's his job to get things right. His recollections are the last thing that should go into the book. If he can't source it, he shouldn't include it.
Wait a minute--I'm misremebering something. I've been thinking of the augment explanation. Now that I think of it wasn't there a line in one of the TNG episodes saying the Empire is made up of many different species? Think about that. Such a reference doesn't necessarily say "many different species (or races) of Klingon," but many species conquered. There's a reference to many conquered worlds that requires the Empire to remain vigilante to keep all of them in line.

Hmm, wasn't it that episode where Laforge is brainwashed into trying to kill a Klingon Governor or something? It sounds really familiar.
 
Yes, unless they're commit genocide after conquest, the Klingons have many races under their control. That much has been said.
 
Wait a minute--I'm misremebering something. I've been thinking of the augment explanation. Now that I think of it wasn't there a line in one of the TNG episodes saying the Empire is made up of many different species? Think about that. Such a reference doesn't necessarily say "many different species (or races) of Klingon," but many species conquered. There's a reference to many conquered worlds that requires the Empire to remain vigilante to keep all of them in line.

But that's not an explanation for why Worf looks different from Kang -- there is no evidence that anyone in the production of the show thought those characters were from two different species who just happen to be part of the Klingon Empire. Cushman just took some bit of fanon he came across and cited it as an established fact from TNG.
 
"The explanation for the different look, given in a future episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. . . ."

That's what the issue is. Not whether the multirace thing is plausible in-universe. DID TNG explain it?

I'm not a TNG expert, but I think it is a "no."
 
It's just possible Cushman misremembered where the explanation came from in terms of which show from the contemporary Trek era given how the writers and producers were into cross-referencing things. TNG did start exploring the Klingons more intently and it carried on throughout DS9, VOY and ENT. He didn't make up the explanation (it did happen onscreen), but the show he references is wrong. I'm not saying that is how it happened but how it possibly could have happened.
Where does the multi-racial explanation appear on screen?

As a historian/author it's his job to get things right. His recollections are the last thing that should go into the book. If he can't source it, he shouldn't include it.

Well put.

"The explanation for the different look, given in a future episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. . . ."

That's what the issue is. Not whether the multirace thing is plausible in-universe. DID TNG explain it?

I'm not a TNG expert, but I think it is a "no."
Yeah, it's a "no."

Mention that the Klingon Empire contains many species, or whatever the line was, was not used to explain of the forehead issue, including how it applied to Kor, Koloth, and Kang. That is the rub.

The plausibility of the explanation—incidentally one contradicted by ENT's Augment arc—itself is irrelevant.
 
I don't even know why the Klingon ridge issue would be in a book that is supposed to be focused on the making of TOS?
 
I don't even know why the Klingon ridge issue would be in a book that is supposed to be focused on the making of TOS?
Because some younger readers not familiar with TOS might wonder why the Klingons looked so different.
 
It's just possible Cushman misremembered where the explanation came from in terms of which show from the contemporary Trek era given how the writers and producers were into cross-referencing things. TNG did start exploring the Klingons more intently and it carried on throughout DS9, VOY and ENT. He didn't make up the explanation (it did happen onscreen), but the show he references is wrong. I'm not saying that is how it happened but how it possibly could have happened.



Neil
 
you have never experienced Kool Aid until you have drank the original Klingon...
 
I remember the TNG episode where they drank the Kool-Aid and revealed the reason for the head ridges.

Neil
 
In Day of The Dove didn't Mara mention your poor planets deep in Klingon space and the fact that they were hunters and they have to be! Did she mean that there were some human colony planets that had been invaded by klingon forces in the past? Could that be one of the reasons for the hatred between their nations?
JB
 
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