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There sure is a lot of earth-related crap floating around in the Delta Quadrant.

My idea was that they mention an industrial replicator that they traded for recently. B'Elanna explains that they're working out compatibility issues with the power conversion matrix, but it should be online within the day.

Still, I actually like your idea better. Just one thing I'd add... instead of Carey, put Harry in charge of overseeing the STBT, and reward this increased responsibility with that extra collar pip he's spent years earning. Because why eliminate two inconsistencies when you can get three?
 
Voyager is nothing but coincidences, like in a galaxy that big, what were the chances that they'd run into the other caretaker? Astronomically small, doesn't even being to describe it.
 
A lot of those are crazy coincidences.

But the one thing that was ridiculous and not in any way valid of all the ones listed is Neelix encountering those Talaxians so far away from Talax.

That was about what, 40,000 light years away? Never mind the time it took to establish thst colony. Plus the times they were already on another world.

Time wise, it never made a lick of sense.
 
A lot of those are crazy coincidences.

But the one thing that was ridiculous and not in any way valid of all the ones listed is Neelix encountering those Talaxians so far away from Talax.

That was about what, 40,000 light years away? Never mind the time it took to establish thst colony. Plus the times they were already on another world.

Time wise, it never made a lick of sense.

They just should have added a few flimsy lines explaining them being displaced by some aliens long ago, aliens who disappeared some time after that. They needn't have been recent refugees (like they were depicted I believe). (Still lame, of course, but then we'd have no such contradiction, and at least we'd also know that these type of abductions don't only happen to humans).
 
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But the one thing that was ridiculous and not in any way valid of all the ones listed is Neelix encountering those Talaxians so far away from Talax. That was about what, 40,000 light years away? Never mind the time it took to establish that colony. Plus the times they were already on another world.

And? The group apparently left Talax because they didn't like Haakonians. Haakonians became a threat thirty years before the episode. Give the group 25 of those years to get as far as they can from Talax, and they'll end up here all right, slightly less than halfway through Janeway's trip home. Slightly better going than Janeway's projections for her own journey, but we already learned the degree of her pessimism: she's done about ten times better than she thought she would!

Of course, the colonists could have left long before the war already. There's no ban on leaving Talax, and if we've learned something of those folks, it's their wanderlust.

Timo Saloniemi
 
How the Silurians Voth ended up out there is also a bit wild. Sure, one day Earth geologists will find something via seismic scanners and go "Hey, George, come here, this rocks!" like they do for detecting oil deep underground, but even if a Voth civilization existed to the point they all flew away with their developed technology... Chakotay's heart was still in the right place and it's a charming theory... but all the way to the Delta quadrant still seems sketchy.
I enjoyed that episode, and the lack of evidence of a Voth culture on Earth can be easily explained by plate tectonics. The remains of their civilization is buried so far below the surface that it would be risky to impossible to try digging any of it up.

Besides... when you look at the basic plot elements, it's a retelling of the Galileo story. Scientist finds evidence that leads him to a theory that clashes with current religious doctrine. Scientist is sufficiently threatened with all kinds of dire consequences and forced to recant his theory if he wants any sort of tolerable life in the time remaining.

Of course the Voth scientist was more fortunate than Galileo... he wasn't put under house arrest and he hadn't gone blind (which Galileo did from doing too many observations of sunspots through his telescope).

It's been established that Voyager could have solved three of its worst inconsistencies (infinite torpedoes, unlimited shuttlecraft, and Harry's rank) with one scene, maybe a minute or so in duration. They didn't care enough to do even that small bit of footage. The showrunners had gotten completely sloppy, and clearly had no regard for the intelligence of their audience. So, if they thought something would make a good episode, they went with it, screw realism.
Something I came up with many years ago when our local Star Trek club designed our own ship was that we'd gotten hold of the Kelvan technology that turns people into little styrofoam dodecahedrons... and modified it for non-organic things.

If our 23rd-century crew could do that, just think what would be possible in the 24th century. Janeway actually had several supply closets stuffed with shuttles and torpedoes that were in the form of little styrofoam dodecahedrons. When she needed another one, they'd just pick it up from the supply closet, push a button to return it to its original form, and boom. Problem solved.

Or at least that problem was solved. Somehow they mucked everything up when modifying the technology for complex machines. It never again functioned with organic matter. This explains why Voyager needed to stop off to do hunter/gatherer stuff on dangerous planets or shop at the nearest farmer's market when they needed to replenish their food supplies.

Umm, the inconsistency always was finite torpedoes and limited shuttlecraft. No other starship in history suffered from such things - so why would Janeway's, all of a sudden?
I dunno... maybe because they were 70,000 light-years from the nearest Federation starbase, so they had to make replacements themselves? It's not like they could pull in at the next Federation planet and say to them, "Chakotay crashed our last shuttlecraft past our ability to repair it, so I'm putting in a requisition for another half-dozen, and I need them before next Tuesday."
 
And? The group apparently left Talax because they didn't like Haakonians. Haakonians became a threat thirty years before the episode. Give the group 25 of those years to get as far as they can from Talax, and they'll end up here all right, slightly less than halfway through Janeway's trip home. Slightly better going than Janeway's projections for her own journey, but we already learned the degree of her pessimism: she's done about ten times better than she thought she would!

Of course, the colonists could have left long before the war already. There's no ban on leaving Talax, and if we've learned something of those folks, it's their wanderlust.

Timo Saloniemi

Those Hakoonians don't seem to be even a regional issue / threat, just very local. At least, I don't think we ever hear about them except for the occupation of the Talaxian system. I could understand a group of frightened Talaxians to put some distance between them and any Haakoonian presence, but fleeing across half the galaxy, even possibly 10 years through borg space to arrive at some marginally habitable planetoids when there are plenty of uninhabited nice worlds much closer, seems like massive overkill.
 
Fair enough. But out of ten thousand refugee parties, one is entitled to going farther out than the others. And we're arguing statistics here anyway: we need plenty of refugees so that our heroes could run into one group, and we got plenty of refugees when a society capable of interstellar war loses, and loses both of its capital planets in the process.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Those Hakoonians don't seem to be even a regional issue / threat, just very local. At least, I don't think we ever hear about them except for the occupation of the Talaxian system. I could understand a group of frightened Talaxians to put some distance between them and any Haakoonian presence, but fleeing across half the galaxy, even possibly 10 years through borg space to arrive at some marginally habitable planetoids when there are plenty of uninhabited nice worlds much closer, seems like massive overkill.

No one ever suggested that this particular group of Talaxians were wise or even smart. It seems to me their leadership has been more than a little erratic.
 
In a previous post in this thread, I came up with severe criticizm against the writers for sloppy writing and all those inconsistences and contradictions.

However, there is a good side with it too because it has made me think of different ways to come up with logical explanations to all those inconsistences and contradictions, just like my idea about The Shuttle And Torpedo Building Team.

Which I must state was a masterpiece from me! :)

On the Kes Website, there is a link to a page called "Voyager mysteries-and how to solve them".
There you can find several such explanations available, such as the Kayon-Ogla water problem, Nick Locarno, the events in Threshold and who the mysterious Nicole Janeway really is.

I must admit that I really enjoy to come up with ideas and explanations for the more common Voyager mysteries. I know that sometimes I'm very critical to Berman, Braga and the others but I must at least give them some credit for inspiring me. I've actually dedicated one of my "inventions" to them, The B&B Device! :bolian:
 
You know, I just realized something after starting a rewatch wity my wife.

After Dr. Jetrel dies, what did they do with his ship? Strip it for parts? Give it to the Talaxians or Haakonians? Keep it as a spare so they have a 'full compliment of shuttles'?
 
You know, I just realized something after starting a rewatch wity my wife.

After Dr. Jetrel dies, what did they do with his ship? Strip it for parts? Give it to the Talaxians or Haakonians? Keep it as a spare so they have a 'full compliment of shuttles'?
I assume that they totally stripped it, using whatever they could use for parts to fix everything they needed.

As for "Jetrel", I actually watched it on Saturday. It's a excellent episode, one of Voyager's best. It gave the character Neelix more depth and explained a lot about him and why he was the person he was. The interaction between him and Jetrel were brilliant.
 
You know there are also all these occasions when the ship is very badly damaged, like in Basics part II, and yet they manage to repair it very fast, in fact in Basics they were so fast that Janeway didn't have time to clean up the dirt on her face before they were ready to go.:lol:

That or she only cleans up once a week...
 
You know, I just realized something after starting a rewatch wity my wife.

After Dr. Jetrel dies, what did they do with his ship? Strip it for parts? Give it to the Talaxians or Haakonians? Keep it as a spare so they have a 'full compliment of shuttles'?

Janeway probably totally nicked that Metreon cascade knowledge. Never hurts to have a superweapon of mass destruction up your sleeve in a hostile quadrant, just in case you encounter the Borg or worse.
 
Janeway probably totally nicked that Metreon cascade knowledge. Always could come in handy when encountering, say, the Borg ...

...or to kill moles in the ill-named hydroponic garden... A hydroponic garden with dirt, which is a contradiction in terms btw...
 
"JETREL" is a great episode, and I use that one as my reasoning for why I think Neelix is a spiritual twin of Lwaxana Troi.
 
Maybe Voyager is the Christine of starships... as long as she flies forward, she repairs herself over time. Only extreme concentrated damage over a short time (as in YoH) can overwhelm this.
 
Maybe Voyager is the Christine of starships... as long as she flies forward, she repairs herself over time. Only extreme concentrated damage over a short time (as in YoH) can overwhelm this.

Maybe it has these little bots that we see in Discovery all over the ship, constantly doing repairs, we just don't see them.
 
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