There sure is a lot of earth-related crap floating around in the Delta Quadrant.

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Mr. 5618, Mar 25, 2021.

  1. Swedish Borg

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    It usually means that someone tampered with a quote.
     
  2. at Quark's

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    Abbreviation of 'Fixed That For You'
     
  3. Farscape One

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    Ah, ok. Thanks.
     
  4. F. King Daniel

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    Adding something new to the "Earth crap in the Delta Quadrant" list...
    Another Federation Starship, featuring a training hologram of Captain Janeway.
     
  5. Bad Thoughts

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    Fixed that for you(it generally means that someone changed the text of another poster's writing).
     
  6. Oddish

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    Fixed that for you, but all they did was change "flaw" to "feature".
     
  7. Swedish Borg

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    We've seen a starship entirely manned by holograms, of course, those were evil holograms but would it be possible to have a starship of holograms in star fleet for example? After all, we have Starfleet starships with a Vulcan crew (which by the way is a bit discriminatory but whatever) so why not holograms?
     
  8. dupersuper

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    I prefer flaw.
     
  9. Oddish

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    It would allow them to maintain a Vulcan environment (increased gravity, higher heat, lower humidity) throughout the ship.
     
  10. Swedish Borg

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    A little discomfort is a small price to pay to not maintain a segregationist environment. Look what asses Vulcans become when they are cooped up together for too long ("Take Me Out To The Holosuite...") And obviously humans can live well in a Vulcan environment for many years (e.g Amanda, Sarek's wife, not to mention Michael)...
     
  11. at Quark's

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    Still, you've got to wonder how much overlap there is in temperature tolerances and such. There should be species that can't survive at all in the human temperature range (probably species such as the Tholians), there should be species that could, but just fringe survivability, species that can, but be distinctly uncomfortable (Cardassians for example, if Garak wasn't lying about that or exaggerating in the Wire when he describes the conditions on the station as 'torture'), and finally, species between whose tolerances overlap so much that they probably are only slightly sub-optimal (humans and Vulcans for example). Unless most species' tolerances overlap to a remarkable degree (which seems to be the convention), separated ships would make a lot of sense. It would also explain why we see so many humans in Starfleet- we're just following the human branch.
     
  12. Finn

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    To be fair, if Defiant traveled the distance between Ocampa and the coordinates of the station in Fair Trade, we may see such changes.
     
  13. Rhodan

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    Geez, of course. This isn´t about realism, it´s about the ways how to making each show unique.... The exact thing, as I get, the people were starting to complain the longer Voyager stayed in the air.

    And as I was recently re-reading Memory Alpha, it seems to me that studio was afraid of changes, because fairly different DS9 had lower viewership numbers. In the end this approach simply didn´t work as we saw and no matter how the shows "stayed the same", numbers simply went down.
     
  14. Finn

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    geez ok

    :lol:
     
  15. Farscape One

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    I think in a subconscious way, it explains why we never saw the Borg until the Nekrit Expanse. Why would the Borg go assimilate species in an area of space that is, technologically, inferior overall?

    "It would detract from our goal of perfection", according to Seven on why they never assimilated the Kazon. As an example.

    Regarding the Defiant in a similar situation, as much as it pains me to say this because I love that ship... I actually think they would fare worse than Voyager did.

    It's a far more cramped ship, very little storage capacity for resources like spare parts and food so they would have to stop a LOT more often, and their sensors are not quite as good as an explorer type of ship so finding shortcuts like wormholes would be harder.

    About the only thing it would do better at than Voyager is battle because... well, she's a warship. A Kazon battle would last about 30 seconds... they fire at the Defiant, she fires back a warning shot, Kazon returns fire, she shoots one shot at the Kazon and destroys that ship, and the other Kazon ships tuck tail and run. Or if they are stupid enough to keep fighting... and we all know they are stupid enough to do exactly that... Defiant picks them off one by one.

    But I don't think she would fare quite as well against spatial anomalies because it's not as well-rounded a ship as Voyager seems to be. And boy does the Delta have spatial anomalies...



    Side note: my wife and I have made an observation, or rather I knew this but didn't realize the level of frequency because she picked up on this. The series should have been called STAR TREK: SOME KIND OF VOYAGER because every single episode has 'some kind/sort of' mentioned by someone... usually 2-3 different times. I've kept track, and we are most of the way through season 2... literally EVERY episode has this phrase. TNG was guilty of this in its later years, but it is nowhere near this amount.
     
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  16. Swedish Borg

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    Yes, there is a compilation of all these "some kind of" in a video on the net, or at least there used to be and it's quite impressive. It goes on forever!!!
     
  17. Finn

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    Except the Talaxians have been assimilated. And the Vidiians would have been excellent addition to the collective...
     
  18. Oddish

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    Borg vs. Phage... that's a contest I'd be interested in seeing play itself out.
     
  19. Farscape One

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    We have seen Talaxians beyond the Nekrit Expanse. FAR beyond. See the 7th season episode "HOMESTEAD". The Borg could have assimilated a scouting party.

    I agree about the Vidiians, particularly because of their medical technology. But their disease has ravaged them for longer than the Borg have even existed. That might make them useless as an assimilation source.
     
  20. Timo

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    "Not seeing the Borg" is usually expected everywhere - they're the Bigfoot, after all.

    But the functional difference here could be that the Borg assimilate Talaxians and Kazon: they do not assimilate the Talaxians and the Kazon.

    That is, they only sample those species that aren't yet classified suited for total assimilation. And Kazon/Trabe territory is currently rather exclusively subjected to this covert sampling, and has gotten no all-out assimilation attacks in living memory. Possibly because while, yes, yes, Talaxians make for good and sturdy drones, and yes indeed, assimilation is a service that should be extended to all creatures in need, the only real reason to assimilate an entire culture is if it no longer has the potential to give. And for the primitive Kazon and the local cultures they stomped on, all the potential might still lie ahead.

    Timo Saloniemi