Definitely wouldn't mind seeing more DS9 nods like those mentioned and the Starship Nog, but I've thought that DISCO shows DS9 love in different ways, and all along. I think the arc-based storytelling, the more complicated characters and politics, the use of Section 31, and even focusing as much as it did on a war in the first season, these felt DS9-influenced to me. And also the Burnham-Book relationship; we haven't seen a Trek lead in as developed a romantic relationship in a series since Sisko and Kassidy.
Spoilers There are a lot of references to ENT in Season 4 of Star Trek Discovery
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Definitely wouldn't mind seeing more DS9 nods like those mentioned and the Starship Nog, but I've thought that DISCO shows DS9 love in different ways, and all along. I think the arc-based storytelling, the more complicated characters and politics, the use of Section 31, and even focusing as much as it did on a war in the first season, these felt DS9-influenced to me. And also the Burnham-Book relationship; we haven't seen a Trek lead in as developed a romantic relationship in a series since Sisko and Kassidy.
Fact remains, we at least have some idea as to what Archer was doing between 2155 and 2245. And we have some tidbits for Sato too. And T’Pol, Phlox (and his Rigelian parrot), and maybe even Mayweather should have lived long lives as well. Plus, Reed is supposed to be considered a larger-than-life hero. And what Trip was doing back then remains ambiguous. And Porthos was as well known as the rest of the crew. There’s nothing stopping Discovery from at least referencing:
- Sato & first contact with the Atianna (from the ENT novel Rosetta)
- the Ware crisis (the repair station from S2),
- Sato and the rest of the ENT crew served under Captain T’Pol on the Columbia class USS Endeavour
- Archer bringing Rigel into the Federation
- Archer being the one that pushed for the Prime Directive to be established
- the crew’s stay at Risa while Columbia was present at the Battle of Sol
Barring that, some deleted scenes - like Sim mentioning that Vulcans used to have a lifespan of 40 years, or Valdore and the Romulan Senator being taken into custody for his failed drone war - are certainly more canon when compared to literature or unused scripts.
And reference that the Utopia Planita Ship Yards were supposed to be in existence in this time, since there did not seem to be much of a shipyard from what we saw during ENT. It would also make for a subtle connection to PIC as well.
There’s quite a bit of worldbuilding DIS could do for ENT with a reference here and there while still building their own as well.
The DMA could be also be related to the Sphere Builders. Or the Triannon, who created a religion around the spheres and anomalies.
Yeah, it's never been never, just not "now."
I agree but I was also guilty of this in the 90s, like wanting the bugs from "Conspiracy" to make a return and so on. I think most times the shows have got it right, like TNG rarely brought back TOS stuff and it sounds like Discovery skipped over all Enterprise's temporal bullshit so they didn't have to deal with Daniels or his fuckery. I think Into Darkness got it wrong but I can see the allure of that storyline.
I also wanted the "Conspiracy" parasites to return. I wouldn't have minded if Daniels or the time travelers on VOY got some love in some way on DISCO, even if in a Short Trek.
If the Sphere Builders are the ones behind the DMA and the last scene of "The Examples" is hinting at the bluegills from "Conspiracy", could there be a connection between both species?
If yes, of what kind?
If yes, of what kind?
It's a balancing act to be sure. On the one hand, there are several superpowered aliens out there that could well do better to be expanded upon. On the other hand, one need only look at "The Changeling" and "The Motion Picture" to see that a new spin on a past used idea can actually be pretty exciting in of itself. Because if you utilize an old familiar one you are more likely to get it wrong because not only are there the episodes it was featured in but years, if not decades, of novels, fan speculation, and such that increase the expectations further.
Regardless of what one feels about the film the scope of V'Ger is exciting. It's large, alien and unknown even if at the end it is literally like Nomad from "The Changeling." It carries more weight, more drama, but the core of it is the same: Earth launched probe captured by aliens and modified to the point of superpowers.
I agree that the rest of the film is rather slow but the base concept is one that is exciting, especially from a dramatic standpoint.
I recall there was supposed to be a connection between the bluegills and the Borg but the writers went another way, so having that kind of connection isn't out of the realm.
The bluegills were supposed to be the big new enemy after the Ferengi failed, but huge insect suits and makeup would've been too expensive, so they dropped them and introduced the cheaper Borg, who still had the hive mind leftovers from the planned bluegill invasion 
That's the thing: I know that a lot of people didn't like the reason for the Burn, but I found it to be fantastic and original, without
the need for some artificial 'baddie.' I would think that after that, they would have the wherewithal to continue that line of thought and not just make the DMA the work of some 'evil' aliens from some past Trek show that nobody cares about. Name-dropping things is fine, as long as they are not the actual reason. As a matter of fact, the more they name-drop things, the more likely I think that it won't be who they're name-dropping.
I wasn't put off by there not big a big bad that created the Burn (I was thinking Discovery was somehow involved), that was an unexpected subversion of expectations, and kudos to the writers for going so to the left the internet didn't figure it out. But the cause was very underwhelming for me. Trek is science fiction, but they were really stretching credulity for me with the cause of such quadrant spanning destruction being a kid having temper tantrums. If maybe he had also been a Traveler or evolved like Kes did and we could see he was some higher being that might have worked better, or maybe I wouldn't have been as underwhelmed, and perhaps just whelmed.
I don't think a big bad was needed at all in Season 3. The Emerald Chain was good enough to provide for conflict.
I do agree that name drops are writing off the suspects behind the DMA though it's nice to hear those names and get an inkling that their still around, and would be better to get a hint or tease as to what they are up to.
Your family and then Mum die horribly in front of you, from radiation poisoning. You call your reaction a temper tantrum?
"MUM DIED AND I'M ALL ALONE, WAHHHHHH!"
Lol stupid baby, right?
Perhaps temper tantrum wasn't the most compassionate term. How about emotional outbursts? Or expressions of grief? Whatever you want to call it I thought it was a disappointing cause of The Burn.
Emotions are bad. That's the Star Trek way.
Adding it to this thread, from Discovery's season 5 finale...
Kovich is revealed to be a codename, his real name is Daniels, formerly of Enterprise NX-01.
Guy's gotta be nearly 200 years old.
Guy's gotta be nearly 200 years old.
That's not too unreasonable though. We know Daniels wasn't necessarily entirely human, and we know of several very-long-lived humans in the future – Archer himself canonically lives to 133 after all, and that's just in the 22nd/23rd century.
Nope. This thread has been dead for almost 3 years, and that's a good thing, since all mention of ENT had ceased for some time anyway.
This thread stays dead.
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And as I told you all in the thread stickied at the top of this forum regarding spoilers for the Trek streaming shows:
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Please do that. Like I said to. Thank you.
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