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Theiss' Early Designs for the TNG Uniforms

Well, with the addition of side panels the second design became the standard uniform.

I agree the short-sleeved version would have made a good variation.

Theiss once said that the TNG uniforms were intended to mimic human anatomy - the line of trim that broke up the yoke was the clavicle, the notched color panel in front was the rib cage, etc.

I really loved the first season TNG uniforms because of the asymmetrical lines of the front color panel and those other elements (the yoke trim, etc.) really did accentuate a person's figure, even though it looked tight as hell to wear.

I always felt the Blackman Mandarin collar uniforms weren't the most flattering, particularly with the puffy sides created by the spandex belt on the men. And his women's uniforms looked even tighter than the original first-season jumpsuits.

Aren't Blackman's female uniforms just the first season jumpsuit with the Mandarin colar added on?

No, the uniforms were redesigned with a wool fabric that was less form-fitting and more breathable than the spandex. The womens version was just a jumpsuited variant of the mens (although the rear zipper looked ugly and still a pain to wear).
In season 3+ they slowly added the mandarin collar to the surplus spandex costumes which were generally only worn by extras to avoid the cost of making new $1,000 uniforms every other episode.

I'm betting Theiss did a ton of those sketches, not just the few we've seen, so i don't think the uniforms int he photo are based on sketch #1, rather sketch #1 has some elements in common with whatever sketch ended up being the basis for those particular costumes.
Most likely.


It took me a few episodes into the first season to realize that the branch-colored section of the uniform wasn't just some random design, but rather the Starfleet "arrowhead" insignia with the top point flipped over onto the back.
I noticed the same thing quite a ways back.

I actually prefer the design of the first two seasons' uniform to what came later. I didn't like the fabric, but it looked more futuristic and seemed more a logical evolution in concept from what we had seen in TMP.

The uniforms introduced in third season were okay--and they went through an evolution in detail early on, but by the mid to end of the season they were in their final form and I didn't care for them. They looked stiff and not particularly comfortable. I also thought the zipper seasm up the back looked rediculous. It looked like a really awkward thing to get into.

The TOS tunics looked like a pullover even though there was a zipper to it that didn't show much on the old CRT screens. It made sense to have a zipper otherwise the collar could get stretched and lose shape just by putting in on. And, of course, that would mess up makeup and hair. The TMP tunics also looked like a pullover only the opening seam wasn't obvious (assuming there was one).

The uniforms introduced with DS9 looked like a step back towards the concept of early TNG and I rather liked them even though I didn't care for all that black. When they went to the gray shoulders and the dark look in later DS9 seasons and the TNG films I felt they ruined it completely.
According to the actors, they were far more comfortable than the S1-2 costumes. I prefer the S3+ variant, but to each their own.

I both liked and disliked the early DS9/VOY uniforms. On the one hand, the 'coverall' type jumpsuit looks a lot more comfortable and informal for the constant hands-on maintenance required on DS9 (Voyager i can only assume was a 'creative' choice to distinguish from TNG)
but it doesn't look all that distinctively starfleet. A few minor design changes - maybe a more distinctive neck seam on the coverall, perhaps tailored like the later FC costume, for example. The jacket zipper was subtle, but they didn't attempt to make it invisible, IIRC the turtleneck zipped from the back.
 
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The women's uniforms continued to be made from spandex, other than some experiments early in the third season, as is pretty evident in shots like this one:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s7/7x08/attached144.jpg

Yep. Blackman has gone on record saying he finally found a way to cut the spandex so it didn't pull on the actor's shoulders, and that's the way the female uniforms were constructed.

Blackman went with one-pieces for the women because they didn't look as good in the two-piece. (Source: http://thevalkyriedirective.tumblr....ar-trek-costumes-an-old-interview-with-robert)

He talks about the cut of the spandex here: http://www.emmytvlegends.org/interviews/people/robert-blackman#



In those first four shots, you can see Gates McFadden in the early two-piece uniforms with the darts and front seams with the darker blue color that they later changed to a green-teal.

Here's another picture of McFadden in an early one-piece version with the zipper in the front: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x07/the_enemy_hd_086.jpg
 
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That transcript from the book is great. But even the Reeves-Stevenses got it wrong re: the Picard Maneuver. Stewart did it a few times in the first two seasons as well, even when he was wearing the jumpsuit uniforms. It just didn't take its name/notoriety until the two-piece jumpsuits were used.
 
The women's uniforms continued to be made from spandex, other than some experiments early in the third season, as is pretty evident in shots like this one:

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s7/7x08/attached144.jpg

Yep. Blackman has gone on record saying he finally found a way to cut the spandex so it didn't pull on the actor's shoulders, and that's the way the female uniforms were constructed.

Blackman went with one-pieces for the women because they didn't look as good in the two-piece. (Source: http://thevalkyriedirective.tumblr....ar-trek-costumes-an-old-interview-with-robert)

He talks about the cut of the spandex here: http://www.emmytvlegends.org/interviews/people/robert-blackman#



In those first four shots, you can see Gates McFadden in the early two-piece uniforms with the darts and front seams with the darker blue color that they later changed to a green-teal.

Here's another picture of McFadden in an early one-piece version with the zipper in the front: http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x07/the_enemy_hd_086.jpg
Ah didn't see this post before. Thanks for the links!
 
That transcript from the book is great. But even the Reeves-Stevenses got it wrong re: the Picard Maneuver. Stewart did it a few times in the first two seasons as well, even when he was wearing the jumpsuit uniforms. It just didn't take its name/notoriety until the two-piece jumpsuits were used.
it started in S1 when he'd pull down the uniform to make his chest flat for the take. It just was far more apparent with the 2 piece outfit.
 
That transcript from the book is great. But even the Reeves-Stevenses got it wrong re: the Picard Maneuver. Stewart did it a few times in the first two seasons as well, even when he was wearing the jumpsuit uniforms. It just didn't take its name/notoriety until the two-piece jumpsuits were used.

That's something Blackman acknowledges in his American Television history interview here: http://www.emmytvlegends.org/interviews/people/robert-blackman#

He said that it was Stewart's way of keeping his costume from looking wrinkled when the camera pushed in on his close up.
 
I actually do like the short sleeve look on these. I wish it could have been held better than Troi's short sleeve/dress thing in the pilot, that I wasn't a fan of. I like most of the TNG outfits in different ways.
 
Also of note: This page is from a preview of Terry J. Erdmann and Paula Block's upcoming "Star Trek Costumes" book... and includes the linked page below:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HX4zQ4vtd...+from+the+Final+Frontier+TNG+sample+pages.jpg

...featuring Bob Blackman's sketches on the Season 3 uniforms.

I can't wait for this book. Hopefully it'll include the photo I posted here of the Theiss prototype and include photos of the prototypes Blackman constructed and Spiner modeled as seen in one of the Blu-ray specials for the 3rd season.

The defunct "Star Trek" magazine (not the current one being published) did an interview with Blackman once that included his various sketches.
 
One of the articles I found had a chat interview with Blackman. In addition to the costumes being fitted to the actors, he also added muscle padding, shoulder padding and other enhancements to make the actors look fit and athletic.
The women's costumes included built-in in seamless bras and probably had some breast padding as well.
Also fun to note, the cardassian and klingon uniforms weighed about 30 lbs. Gives you some sympathy for marc alaimo and jg hertzler.

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One of the articles I found had a chat interview with Blackman. In addition to the costumes being fitted to the actors, he also added muscle padding, shoulder padding and other enhancements to make the actors look fit and athletic.
The women's costumes included built-in in seamless bras and probably had some breast padding as well.
Also fun to note, the cardassian and klingon uniforms weighed about 30 lbs. Gives you some sympathy for marc alaimo and jg hertzler.

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Is the article online?
 
McFadden's uniform was Spandex through the end of the series, except for the early Season Three experimentation.
 
McFadden's uniform was Spandex through the end of the series, except for the early Season Three experimentation.

Yep! I can't remember which Marina Sirtis interview I listened to, might've been the recent Mission Log one or another one, but she said that both her and McFadden nearly revolted when they were going to be put into the DS9-VOY uniforms for the movies.

Sirtis said those outfits weren't flattering and both women insisted that their jumpers in "First Contact" be spandex rather than the mechanic-cut of the men's uniforms.

As an aside, I much prefer the early Season Three experimental uniforms with the darts and seams. It gave more of a structured cut to the uniforms, especially without that silly spandex belt that puffed out the sides.
 
One of the articles I found had a chat interview with Blackman. In addition to the costumes being fitted to the actors, he also added muscle padding, shoulder padding and other enhancements to make the actors look fit and athletic. <br />
The women's costumes included built-in in seamless bras and probably had some breast padding as well. <br />
Also fun to note, the cardassian and klingon uniforms weighed about 30 lbs. Gives you some sympathy for marc alaimo and jg hertzler. <br />
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Is the article online?
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http://startrekauction.blogspot.com/2007/02/robert-blackman-interview.html?m=1

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I don't know about the Cardassian uniforms, but the Klingon uniforms were that heavy because they were made with real leather. Which, as you might imagine, is heavy.
 
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