TheGodBen Revisits Enterprise

[Nerys Myk]

I think it's kind of outrageous that they introduced the Temporal Cold War as such an important plot point but never had any idea where they would go with this. Who the hell acts like that?

A lot of writers don't have everything planned out and choose to make it up on the fly such as DS9. I really don't care if they have it all mapped out just as long as it ultimately makes sense. The TCW never did.

Yep, there were times in DS9 that it seemed they forgot about Bajor. Which at the start of the show was played up as a major story arc, but later became an after thought.

 

[DestinyCaptain]

Wow, this is weird. I just decided to head back to ENT to re-evaluate it. I had no idea that this was going on here. I stopped watching just before "Minefield". I gave up on Berman, Braga, and the direction they were taking everything. So, now I am watching it on Siffee. Why did they change the name to Siffee? Do they really think they'll get people to watch that don't like aliens, fantasy, and horror with a name like that? Siffee. Yeah, that's more mainstream.........

 

[TheGodBen]

What disagreement? We've never disagreed in the way as I think you are putting it. As I said in that thread: "Re-read it in John Cleese's voice, perhaps that will help to make the intended tone clearer."

What I thought I was doing, was writing an exaggerated loud post, like anyone else was doing in that thread.

Bingo!

And that priest/boy analogy for Unexpected? That's a bit stretching an interpretation too far, isn't it? All I could think was: "Yeah Trip! You're the man! Damn I wish I was you!" That is, before he got pregnant.

Well as a man I am societally programmed to think that male rape isn't real and therefore I laugh it off much in the manner you are, but there are real victims of it out there, and not just in prison. If we keep on laughing off the male victims of rape then they'll continue to be embarrassed by it and they will turn that shame inwards to the detriment of their psyche. I don't think an episode of Star Trek should play a rape story for laughs.

And yes, I realise that some might think I'm being a hypocrite due to my joke about date-rape back in my Timeless review, but that joke was aimed at me and not at the fictional victims.

It's not often that I see someone complaining because Travis does have something to do in an episode.

Perhaps you missed the early establishing conversations where Travis mentioned that he was fascinated by the mystery of Terra Nova. Doing the report to Starfleet about it would be an honor - not so much paperwork as a "paper," maybe something that might get published.

I remember it, but what did Travis do during the episode other than get a shuttlepod trapped in a cave? I want Travis to get more screentime, but throwing the character some scenes and claiming he was critical to the plot when he was hardly involved is not the way to do it.

 

[Tallis Rhul]

Voyager had a strong first season followed by a lot of average seasons, and the first half of season 3 was abysmal, whereas Enterprise's ace in the hole was its final two seasons.

I'm pleased you've said that. I badly don't want to give up, and I think I enjoyed Catwalk which was the last episode I watched, but I felt distinctly grumpy by the end of it, and I'm not even 75. Never really had that before...

if you answered "these are three cities TheGodBen has never been to" then you would be partially correct.

I went with "They're cities TheGodBen never bought a cheeseburger in". I think that scores a partial.

Anyway, we've never have had an actual conflict from my point of view, which why there has been no reason to "face you like a man."

So no epic 'Trip vs. Alien'esque fight scene for us then?

Terra Nova? I liked this one better when it was called "Miri".

You know it's funny, we get a holograms are real people episode soon, just like in DS9...

Actually, he starts out very excited to be visiting the alien ship. He becomes a "big whiner" after 3 hours of uncomfortable decompression, and as an effect of the change in environment. The aliens tell Archer that it happens all the time. Once he gets some rest - as suggested - he's fine and charming.

That's as may be, but did we need to see it all? We could have skipped most of that and had the line "It took me 3 hours of decompression before I could come aboard, this better be worth it!" or some such.

Ooh, what's the infamous Twilight scene?

Oooh! Oooh! I can field this one... it's the one recurring scene in twilight that happens approximately every 5 seconds where Bella stares into Edward's eyes and they play something mushy on the piano...

What do you mean, not that Twilight?

The thing that struck me most about Terra Nova was how pointless a lot of it was. Malcolm remaining behind was hammed up. Who gave? We knew he'd be in it the week after. Also the bit where Archer nearly falls down that hole and gets saved by the tribesman... who gave? It didn't really have an effect because it didn't seem believable somehow. I'm pretty sure there was something I enjoyed about the episode, but I couldn't tell you which bit!

One thing that did really grate was that the guy who played the tribesman is (I'm pretty sure) the same guy who played the Klingon commander for Unexpected, we were supposed to not recognise him, but HE HAS THE SAME FACE! IT'S THE SAME GUY! And if it turns out to not be him then he looked like him so my strop stands!

 

[Disillusioned]

Ooh, what's the infamous Twilight scene?

They threw the people who wanted Archer and T'Pol to hook up a bone by taking a line of dialog out.

Basically T'Pol is acting as his live-in helper (with her own separate bed area), and the majority of the episode consists of her bringing a gray-haired Archer up to speed like she presumably has to every morning, kind of like the movie "Clean Slate."

Anyway, at one point Archer notices that T'Pol lives in the same house and asks her, "how far has our relationship evolved?" or something along those lines. Originally she had a line of dialog indicating that there was nothing romantic between them, but thanks to Scott Bakula's influence that line was omitted and T'Pol simply paused awkwardly instead, meant to leave some ambiguity.

 

[Count Zero]

Hehehe, good for him.

 

[Treknut]

Pity he didn't use his influence on the Abomination and cut the whole final episode out

 

[Count Zero]

Well, at the time, there were a lot of stories making the rounds how the actors were upset about the script and protested, but to no avail. And, well, there wasn't much to save...

 

[apenpaap]

You know, for some time I've been wondering what kind of tribute Enterprise would've done for Trek's 40th anniversary had it continued, and I suspect it would've been TATV (As that wouldn't have ended Season 4 if the show had continued, obviously). Not a pleasant thought.

 

[Jimmy Bob]

Bingo!

Oh. Oh I see now. I'm stupid.

So no epic 'Trip vs. Alien'esque fight scene for us then?

Let me fix what can be fixed.

This is a priest.

If he'd rape me, it'd scar me for life.

Now this is a sexy female alien.

Rape by sexy female alien does not qualify as rape.

Because:

She's hot.

 

[Gepard]

Actually, she's really frightening.

Also, it'd still be rape.

 

[T'Girl]

Actually, she's really frightening.

And to be honest, Pat Robertson probably better in the sack.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Rape by sexy female alien does not qualify as rape.

Because:

She's hot.

This being the same logic that says that a man cannot be raped because 'if he has an erection he wanted it' and that 'if a woman enjoys it, it's not rape'?

I hope this is just a joke we have all taken seriously by accident...

 

[Pemmer Harge]

Rape by sexy female alien does not qualify as rape.

Because:

She's hot.

Please tell me this is a joke?

 

[Dane_Whitman]

C'mon, obviously the guy's kidding around.

 

[TheGodBen]

I'm sure he is joking because this...

...is not sexy, it is a hideous orange reptile. I might not even fit in where I'm supposed to fit in, it might be corkscrew shaped or something.

This is also a hideous orange reptile, he just hides it better.

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Let's stop beating this dead horse to death and move on, shall we?

 

[T'Girl]

Rape by sexy female alien does not qualify as rape............She's hot.

Police: Ma'am, when did you realize you'd been raped.

Woman: When the check bounced.

 

[Tallis Rhul]

I hope this is just a joke we have all taken seriously by accident...

I don't think we all did take it seriously

She's hot.

And to be honest, Pat Robertson probably better in the sack.

I might not even fit in where I'm supposed to fit in, it might be corkscrew shaped or something.

Just...

This is also a hideous orange reptile, he just hides it better.

Ladies and Gentlemen, for your consideration, I tracked down the alien's parents...

Enjoy

Let's stop beating this dead horse to death and move on, shall we?

For some reason this is now the second topic to abandon its natural course and start on a discussion about rape (the other being "Is Dukat really evil?" [DUHHHHH] in DS9) since I arrived... I'm kinda hoping it's not my influence on the board

Aaanyway in a vague attempt to bring the thread back on topic, this is way out of order, but I watched Cease Fire from S2 tonight. Is it my imagination or are the Andorian episodes all really good?

 

[Pemmer Harge]

The Andorian episodes? Well, I've seen "The Andorian Incident" and "Cease Fire" and I think they're good, but not great. I do think it was a great decision to flesh out the Andorians though, so I tend to prefer episodes with them to episodes with random aliens we never see again.