The younger Spock cannot afford to die saving the Enterprise!
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More importantly...why were you thinking about Trek when you were in the bathtub??
Hey--I've thought of worse Trek-stuff in the shower.
Things that would send cold chills down your spine...and wake you in the middle of the night....
(No, it is better you do not know. The point is....)
Give'em a break.
^Now...why am I reminded of Nero's opening monologue from the blooper real when I read this?
It is very sad.
Whoever came up with that needs to have his face set on fire and then have the fire be put out with a hammer.
Edit: Thank god comic books are not trek canon and don't count.
Oh come on, that's funny as all hell.
Plus, it'll spare us some future replay of all that ST:TMP tedium.
They should do an entire series devoted to other characters in the Abrams Universe mucking about so that none of the TOS stories happen. Have Harry Mudd hit the galactic MegaBillions lottery at the age of 27, buy Wrigley's Pleasure Planet and never venture off...
I think I could even forgo the series and settle for a set of interlaced Stephanie Fox flowcharts mapping out how it would all work. Or have the series be a dramatization of the charts. Whatever.They should do an entire series devoted to other characters in the Abrams Universe mucking about so that none of the TOS stories happen. Have Harry Mudd hit the galactic MegaBillions lottery at the age of 27, buy Wrigley's Pleasure Planet and never venture off...
Spock Prime contacts the leaders of the Gorn Empire and negotiates an agreement for a Federation outpost on Cestus III, thus avoiding the massacre...
Spock died in Star Trek II because Nimoy wanted out. The katra plot device was a way of getting him back. But assuming they go through with it anyway, either to reference TWOK or because Quinto gets cold feet - there's no reason to say it wouldn't work. Maybe the ritual could be done on the new Vulcan colony world - nothing's specifically said about it having to be on Vulcan.
Anyway while I'm sure any Khan movie would have a wink or two to TWOK I'd expect a pretty different plot - this would be more akin to the "Space Seed" scenario, remember, at this point Khan doesn't have any particular burning revenge desire against Kirk and is just a guy sleeping since the 1990s (boy will he be disappointed when he discovers pogs aren't cool anymore.)
Anyway while I'm sure any Khan movie would have a wink or two to TWOK I'd expect a pretty different plot - this would be more akin to the "Space Seed" scenario, remember, at this point Khan doesn't have any particular burning revenge desire against Kirk and is just a guy sleeping since the 1990s (boy will he be disappointed when he discovers pogs aren't cool anymore.)
Forget about Genesis; there are lots of other factors that can change. In the new timeline, would the Enterprise still find the Botany Bay? Would nuKirk leave Khan on the same planet? Would the battles between Khan and nuKirk go the same way, so exactly that it still ends up with Khan about to detonate Genesis and the Enterprise unable to get away unless someone goes in the radiation chamber to fix it?
Kegg,
Actually, Spock died in II because Nimoy assumed it was going to be the last one, and thought it was time, a fitting end to his Character.
During filming, they started having second thoughts, so Nimoy added the "Remember" moment to "provide some hope".
After test audiences felt it was a downer, they later (without Nicholas Meyer) filmed the sequence with Spock's Casket on Genesis, and refilmed the ending wher Kirk says he feels young.
Source: TWOK Special Features.
Actually, Spock died in II because Nimoy assumed it was going to be the last one, and thought it was time, a fitting end to his Character.
During filming, they started having second thoughts, so Nimoy added the "Remember" moment to "provide some hope".
After test audiences felt it was a downer, they later (without Nicholas Meyer) filmed the sequence with Spock's Casket on Genesis, and refilmed the ending wher Kirk says he feels young.
Source: TWOK Special Features.
I'm kind of surprised that it took until page two for someone to hint at something that is being over looked here. If Khan is going to be in the next one, than the events will have to be much more in line with Space Seed, and not TWOK. TWOK in the prime universe takes place years down the road from where the nu-verse is currently at.
I've actually said this in several other threads, myself (he said, beating a dead horse). The Khan of TWOK had over twenty years to rue and stew and become the mad vengence-seeking misguided genius that he was.
I suppose that if they want to be derivative of TWOK, it could work this way:
-- The movie opens in 1996 with Khan's ship escaping Earth (a little backstory).
-- Flashforward to the 23rd century, where a Federation starship (not the Enterprise) comes across Khan's ship. They awaken Khan and his crew. A Space Seed-like chain of events (greatly compressed for time in the movie) unfolds on this ship, but this time Khan takes control, much like he did the Reliant. He's now off to conquer new worlds or do other mischief. (Perhaps this ship was coincidentally carrying an advanced technology or advanced weapon that Khan can use.)
-- Enter our heroes on the Enterprise, who must confront Khan and defeat him.
-- At the end of the movie, it's Keenser who gives up his life to save the Enterprise. (Hey, Quinto is signed for three movies, not two.)
Is a story like that really going to match TWOK? None of the history between Kirk and Khan that made the conflict in TWOK so compelling is present. He's just another baddie to be stopped.
Khan in STXII would be a watered-down version of Khan in TWOK at best. Is that what we want? Is Khan really that interesting a character without the histroy between him and Kirk that drove him to scene-chewing meanness in TWOK?
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