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The WWDC 2010 Thread - New iPhone

The ONLY thing I'm dissapointed about is lack of 4G support. It is not very forward thinking in that regard. But I'm sure Apple has an iPhone 4G planned for that in a year :p

This could come down to chipset and power consumption issues.

Similar comments were made when the original iPhone was released Apple's argument at the time was that the cost of the chipset in terms of size and power consumption were too great to be viable in the iPhone. Down the track both improved and we got the iPhone 3G.

Given that 4G isn't that widely spread and I think for the most part around the world most people will be on 3G for the next 12 - 24 months by which point we'll probably off seen the 4G chipsets improve and will in the next generation iPhone.

If we see the Andriod or WinMobile smartphone makers come out with 4G phones then Apple is on the right track with not including support.

Regular mobile and 4G support is another matter - they generally aren't running wifi, software etc etc with large screens so they can fit in the chipset and running with wiping out the battery 30 seconds after turning it on.
 
720p video capabilites. But no expandable memory slot

I LOL'D

Still can't change the battery yourself, seriously, their 4th phone and still can't change the battery? Especially with that A4 proc and that intense screen and video conferencing?

On the Android front, Dual-core 1.5ghz snapdragon proc by the end of this year.

I think Apple is going to have to start upgrading faster than once a year to keep up.
 
Non-removable battery? Then strikes me as a serious privacy concern.

Even if you shut the phone off, the government has the means to activate the recorder on the phone. The only way to ensure that is to take out the battery.


What's the frequency, Kenneth?
 
Non-removable battery? Then strikes me as a serious privacy concern.

Even if you shut the phone off, the government has the means to activate the recorder on the phone. The only way to ensure that is to take out the battery.


What's the frequency, Kenneth?

It's a popular privacy concern actually. If the battery is still connected, the phone can be remotely activated. Meaning the microphone and GPS tracking can be turned on.

Can be a bit "big brotherish" if you're one of the paranoid.
 
Non-removable battery? Then strikes me as a serious privacy concern.

Even if you shut the phone off, the government has the means to activate the recorder on the phone. The only way to ensure that is to take out the battery.


What's the frequency, Kenneth?

It's a popular privacy concern actually. If the battery is still connected, the phone can be remotely activated. Meaning the microphone and GPS tracking can be turned on.

Can be a bit "big brotherish" if you're one of the paranoid.

If you're doing anything that would give you cause for concern over being monitored, then you're probably smart enough to use disposable phones rather than dropping hundreds of dollars (and signing 2-year contracts) on an iPhone. :p
 
What's the frequency, Kenneth?

It's a popular privacy concern actually. If the battery is still connected, the phone can be remotely activated. Meaning the microphone and GPS tracking can be turned on.

Can be a bit "big brotherish" if you're one of the paranoid.

If you're doing anything that would give you cause for concern over being monitored, then you're probably smart enough to use disposable phones rather than dropping hundreds of dollars (and signing 2-year contracts) on an iPhone. :p

That's not really the "paranoid over big brother" argument now is it?
 
^^ I'm sorry, but I don't subscribe to these paranoid arguments that "The Government (Federal is assumed) has the need and/or desire to turn on the average citizen's iPhone to spy".

Oh well, I guess the Tinfoil Hat Club needs it's beliefs as well as the next.

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^^ I'm sorry, but I don't subscribe to these paranoid arguments that "The Government (Federal is assumed) has the need and/or desire to turn on the average citizen's iPhone to spy".

Oh well, I guess the Tinfoil Hat Club needs it's beliefs as well as the next.

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I don't care either way, it's just a concern a certain group expresses.
 
JonathonWally,

It's a popular privacy concern actually. If the battery is still connected, the phone can be remotely activated. Meaning the microphone and GPS tracking can be turned on.

Thank you
 
JonathonWally,

It's a popular privacy concern actually. If the battery is still connected, the phone can be remotely activated. Meaning the microphone and GPS tracking can be turned on.
Thank you

not it's case of common sense working and taking of the tinfoil hat.

If the phone is turned off the it's not connected to the cellular network and therefore there is no way for them to remotely access it to turn on the microphone and camera.
 
JonathonWally,

It's a popular privacy concern actually. If the battery is still connected, the phone can be remotely activated. Meaning the microphone and GPS tracking can be turned on.
Thank you

not it's case of common sense working and taking of the tinfoil hat.

If the phone is turned off the it's not connected to the cellular network and therefore there is no way for them to remotely access it to turn on the microphone and camera.


That makes too much sense. Please cease applying common sense and logic.
 
Yeah, Apple's having some serious iPhone issues at the moment. The iPhone 4 has been a PR disaster as far as I can tell.
 
Apple `stunned' to find iPhones show too many bars


Based on a lot of the complaints, feedback, and such I am seriously reconsidering upgrading to an iPhone 3GS, let alone and iPhone 4.

Funny thing is, they're not stunned at all. They changed the way iOS reported bars when people complained the the iPhone 3G never showed 5 bars. They're just undoing that now that they A) have bigger fish to fry with iPhone 4 B)don't really care about the iPhone 3G anymore.

JonathonWally,

It's a popular privacy concern actually. If the battery is still connected, the phone can be remotely activated. Meaning the microphone and GPS tracking can be turned on.
Thank you

not it's case of common sense working and taking of the tinfoil hat.

If the phone is turned off the it's not connected to the cellular network and therefore there is no way for them to remotely access it to turn on the microphone and camera.

Are you in the mob? Is the FBI pursuing a RICO case against you? Are you using a Nextel phone? If you didn't answer yes to all 3 of those questions, no one wants,cares, or is able to bug you without having physical access to your phone. And there isn't a phone on the market, or a network on the planet, that can remotely activate your cellphone's camera. Even if there was, it would be the dumbest invention on the planet, because 99% of the photos it takes would be of somebody's pocket or their desk.

Furthermore, to all the people constantly living in fear of being spied on: get the #### over yourself. It is the height of vanity to think ANYONE, never mind the US Government wants to spy on you. While the government has some very expensive equipment that can do a lot of things, they also have real work to do, which really cuts down on the amount of time they have to #### around with random, paranoid, internet dwellers.
 
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I did some checking around and found Amazon sells unlocked phones. The Nokia 5800 seems to receive some stellar reviews. Overall, I have no desire to leave AT&T and want to buy my phone outright rather than get locked in on a 2-year contract. I'm almost inclined toward a Crackberry, however, I don't text so no need for a phone with a chicklet keyboard.

Geez -- shopping for a new phone sucks ass.
 
^Samsung Captivate is an AT&T customized version of the Galaxy S. Runs Android 2.1, which is infinitely better to use than Symbian (as found on the 5800). It has blazing fast hardware (as fast if not faster than an iPad). Coming out soon. Samsung generally has fewer defects and better reception than most phones. It will also be upgradaeble to Android 2.2, which brings flash in the browser (which is much more usable in the final Android builds than the early ones that most of the reviews have been on, but you can always turn off, or even uninstall it if you don't like it)

Review of Galaxy S (reference design for US versions, sold internationally)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-Galaxy-S-I9000-Review-review-r_2461.html

US Galaxy S versions explained.
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/US-...msung-Galaxy-S-explained-article-a_12223.html
 
Still can't change the battery yourself, seriously, their 4th phone and still can't change the battery? Especially with that A4 proc and that intense screen and video conferencing?

What do you mean especially with the A4? It's more efficient. For God's sake, the damn thing gets seven hours of talk time. Six of 3G web browsing with streaming music. How many people are going to be using their iPhones continuously for six or seven hours without ever stopping near a power outlet? And how many of them can't afford an external power-pack, either one that connects via USB or one that attaches directly to the phone?

And for that matter, what do you mean "still?" Apple has been trending towards larger, more capacities batteries and stronger cases at the cost of removability for years now.
 
^Samsung Captivate is an AT&T customized version of the Galaxy S. Runs Android 2.1, which is infinitely better to use than Symbian (as found on the 5800). It has blazing fast hardware (as fast if not faster than an iPad). Coming out soon. Samsung generally has fewer defects and better reception than most phones. It will also be upgradaeble to Android 2.2, which brings flash in the browser (which is much more usable in the final Android builds than the early ones that most of the reviews have been on, but you can always turn off, or even uninstall it if you don't like it)

Review of Galaxy S (reference design for US versions, sold internationally)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-Galaxy-S-I9000-Review-review-r_2461.html

US Galaxy S versions explained.
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/US-...msung-Galaxy-S-explained-article-a_12223.html

Thank you for the heads up. I'm not tech-geeky enough to swallow all that (yes, I work as a programmer but really don't give a shit about knowing anything/everything about technology) but I can wait a while to upgrade. I own my current Nokia outright and prefer to do that with my phones.

I am going to keep your recommendation in mind for future reference.
 
Either way, you end up paying the same every month with or without a contract, and that bill payment will either cover the cost of a phone subsidy or become pure profit. So unless you're looking to ditch them in 6 months or less, go with the contract. You still own your phone, and if you want to part ways, the early term fee is less than the subsidy you got on your phone, which means you end up ahead.

Until more carriers follow T-Mobile's lead on equipment pricing and plans, you're paying for a contract phone whether or not you ever get one. Might as well get your money's worth. If you insist though, Google sells a version of the Nexus One compatible with AT&T 3G. https://www.google.com/phone/choose?hl=en&gl=US&s7e=

Getting back on topic,
Still can't change the battery yourself, seriously, their 4th phone and still can't change the battery? Especially with that A4 proc and that intense screen and video conferencing?

What do you mean especially with the A4? It's more efficient. For God's sake, the damn thing gets seven hours of talk time. Six of 3G web browsing with streaming music. How many people are going to be using their iPhones continuously for six or seven hours without ever stopping near a power outlet? And how many of them can't afford an external power-pack, either one that connects via USB or one that attaches directly to the phone?

And for that matter, what do you mean "still?" Apple has been trending towards larger, more capacities batteries and stronger cases at the cost of removability for years now.

As someone that has had to deal with these things, I will tell you that there is a miniscule number of people out there swapping out multiple batteries. Like 0.1% of cellphone users. I will tell you it is awfully inconvenient when an Apple store will, rather than manually replace the bad battery, just swap it out for a WX (warranty Exchange) unit, which has god only knows what kind of problems with it. So people come in with a phone with only a battery problem, and leave with one that may have a functioning battery, but likes to randomly power off regardless.

Battery problems are the #1 issue with cellphones (possibly matched by physical abuse that's too subtle to be proven without taking the thing completely apart). No one, anywhere, would have criticized Apple if they had made the back panel removable so that it was trivial (and non-warranty breaking) to replace the battery should a defect arise, even if it added a millimeter or two its dimensions (which I doubt it would given that there's other equally, or almost equally thin phones out there that have such "features"). The whole thing reeks of throwing out the baby with the proverbial bathwater.
 
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