The Wrath of Khan

[Tribble Threat]

I just re-watched The Wrath of Khan. I really liked it this second time around, but the first time I watched it around 2008, I thought it was cheesy. I think it's interesting the way a person's tastes change.

What do you think about the movie? And for that matter, have your feelings about anything in Star Trek changed in ways you wouldn't expect?

 

[Tosk]

Not surprisingly, I love TWOK. Always have.

The movie I have changed my opinion most on is Star Trek 5. As a kid, I found it to be unwatchable garbage. Nowadays, I appreciate the TOS-ness of it, and try my best to overlook the still-unwatchable garbage aspects of it.

Oh, TMP too. As a kid, soooooooo boring. As an adult, I enjoy it when I'm in the mood for something...extremely measured.

 

[Tribble Threat]

What was your favorite part of TWOK? And what was Star Trek V like? I haven't seen it.

 

[Kor]

As a kid I thought TFF was totally awesome. I also thought Superman IV was the absolute finest of that franchise.

Kor

 

[ChallengerHK]

I would say the biggest change for me comes as having been an original fan. During the 70s we just wanted more Trek; that was part of the impetus behind things like fanfic, Trek magazine, etc. We tolerated TMP because it was more Trek, even though I remember laughing on opening night. TWOK came along and we said "Thank you, and it's about time."

Now, Trek has spawned the JJverse, Discovery, Picard, yadda yadda yadda, and there's so much of it that I'm not inclined to be forgiving like I was with TMP. When Nemesis hit, I had seen every film on opening night, and I recall saying to myself "Why am I going to the trouble? They're not going to the trouble to make a film worth my effort." Now I'm saying to myself "Why would I want to watch this? It's crappy, and there'll be more crap coming along soon."

 

[Tosk]

What was your favorite part of TWOK?

I dunno. Just all of it really.

And what was Star Trek V like? I haven't seen it.

Eh, it's kind of crappy. Just because I've grown to enjoy it doesn't mean I have any illusions about what others think of it.

I forgot another one, when I was a little kid I used to think that TOS was boring and silly.

 

[Lord Garth]

There was never a time I didn't like TWOK. My opinion of it hasn't changed, even though I've picked up things I didn't notice before.

My favorite parts, short of listing the entire movie:
1. The Kobayashi Maru Scenario
2. Spock giving Kirk a birthday present.
3. McCoy's conversation with Kirk after giving him Romulan Ale.
4. The reveal of Khan.
5. The proposal video for Project Genesis.
6. Joachim trying to talk Khan out of going after Kirk.
7. Any scene with Preston.
8. Spock telling Kirk commanding a Starship was his first, best destiny.
9. Kirk and Saavik in the elevator, followed by McCoy.
10. Any of the battles between the Enterprise and the Reliant
11. Kirk, Saavik, and the landing party on Regula I...

... The Hell with it. At this rate, I'll end up listing the whole movie. What do I like about TWOK? Everything about it.

 

[daveyjones]

i actually think that the strongest, most amazing part of nick meyer's writing on TWOK is the bookending of the first and last lines of a tale of two cities. according to his memoir, he was just pacing the shelves of his home office and there it was.

 

[Vger23]

Star Trek II is far-and-away my favorite of the Trek movies...

But I think Nick Meyer gets a little too much credit sometimes for his literary references. For me, it didn't play great in TWOK and it was downright goofy in TUC.

 

[BillJ]

The Wrath of Khan actually hasn’t aged that well for me.

 

[Therin of Andor]

My main disappointment with ST II was that ST:TMP had made me a Trek fan, and I was so ready for a ST:TMP II (or "Phase II", or telemovies) to follow the first one. With everything I loved, including the costumes and new aliens. I was hoping to explore things more closely, as the Marvel, LA Times Syndicate and then DC Comics had been doing between movies.

I had sent several years meeting new friends who were old TOS fans, and it was always frustrating that they didn't share my love for TMP (and TAS). Then came ST II - with much less Roddenberry - and, even though my Trek friends revered him, they were ecstatic about ST II, that Roddenberry himself wasn't happy with.

Oh well...

There were also friends who refused to watch ST II a second time, as if they could block Spock's death from their mind by not watching.

 

[Tribble Threat]

Yeah, I get that. Everyone has different tastes, yet I always manage to be surprised to see how many people have opposite opinions from me.

 

[Admiral Archer]

My main disappointment with ST II was that ST:TMP had made me a Trek fan, and I was so ready for a ST:TMP II (or "Phase II", or telemovies) to follow the first one. With everything I loved, including the costumes and new aliens. I was hoping to explore things more closely, as the Marvel, LA Times Syndicate and then DC Comics had been doing between movies.

I had sent several years meeting new friends who were old TOS fans, and it was always frustrating that they didn't share my love for TMP (and TAS). Then came ST II - with much less Roddenberry - and, even though my Trek friends revered him, they were ecstatic about ST II, that Roddenberry himself wasn't happy with.

Oh well...

There were also friends who refused to watch ST II a second time, as if they could block Spock's death from their mind by not watching.

Imagine that...I'm not the only one who prefers TMP to TWOK!

 

[publiusr]

TMP has more rewatchabilty to it.

Like THE THING, I’ve seen TWOK too many times

 

[Smellmet]

TMP has more rewatchabilty to it.

Like THE THING, I’ve seen TWOK too many times

Surely you've seen it too many times because it's rewatchable?

 

[Herbert]

Not surprisingly, I love TWOK. Always have.

The movie I have changed my opinion most on is Star Trek 5. As a kid, I found it to be unwatchable garbage. Nowadays, I appreciate the TOS-ness of it, and try my best to overlook the still-unwatchable garbage aspects of it.

Oh, TMP too. As a kid, soooooooo boring. As an adult, I enjoy it when I'm in the mood for something...extremely measured.

I'm in line with what you're saying. Love TWOK and always have. It's hands down my favorite of the movies with the TOS crew.

Watching ST:V right now and (surprisingly) enjoying it. I saw this when it was released but I don't think I've watched it since then. Loving the humor in it.

I can definitely appreciate TMP more now than when it came out. Not sure I like it all that much though. I mean, it's okay but I'm never clamoring to rewatch it.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I've always said that TFF is more like an episode of TOS than any of the other original cast films. That doesn't mean good, just that it plays to the tropes the series created. I personally don't care for the comedy; they went the "silly" route, slapstick kinds of things that are for me one of the lowest forms of humor, and which make our characters look foolish. But the characters and their relationships are on full display here, and it's nice to see.

In that same vein, the biggest problem with TMP is that the characters are just "off." One of the strongest elements of TOS, one of the driving forces behind fanfic, was the relationships of the characters. In TMP these relationships have been skewed. It's not that the skew is impossible, but it would have required something extraordinary to make it happen, and we don't see any sign of it onscreen except for its aftermath. A friend of min just said "Imagine that something incredible happened at the end of the five year mission and then get on with watching the movie." For me, an event of that magnitude which has so radically changed the characters, and changed them in a way that is criticcal to understanding their actions in TMP, has to be somehow shown.

 

[Morgan Primus]

Not surprisingly, I love TWOK. Always have.

The movie I have changed my opinion most on is Star Trek 5. As a kid, I found it to be unwatchable garbage. Nowadays, I appreciate the TOS-ness of it, and try my best to overlook the still-unwatchable garbage aspects of it.

Oh, TMP too. As a kid, soooooooo boring. As an adult, I enjoy it when I'm in the mood for something...extremely measured.

Saw ST 5 in theatres, haven’t watched it since.

May be due for a re-watch, after all it’s only one of 6 TOS films.

Sad now, gonna go cry in my beer. bbl

 

[BillJ]

May be due for a re-watch, after all it’s only one of 6 TOS films.

I watched it a couple of weeks ago. It hasn't aged badly for the most part.

 

[STEPhon IT]

The Wrath of Khan, and TVH, are the least Star Trek pictures I watch because they're special movies for me. When I see them I still get the same goosebumps and thrill in every beat and moment. Special movies should be seen maybe once a year while I watch TMP, TFF, and TUC and on a weird occasion VII but never watch TSFS and the rest of those God Awful TNG movies. TWOK brings back all of the inspired ideas of what this franchise could've been and still rings true when hearing Spock say the classic lines as the camera pans away from the new planet Genesis and gears into space.