The implication was that something of this Time-Lady survived after her death in the Time War ("I was lost long ago"). The Time Lords were trying to "ascend" and exist without physical bodies... this one apparently accomplished it.
The Woman? (Spoilers)
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The implication was that something of this Time-Lady survived after her death in the Time War ("I was lost long ago"). The Time Lords were trying to "ascend" and exist without physical bodies... this one apparently accomplished it.
I like to think it's susan. Makes a lot of sense, and even manages to thematically gel with Children of Earth.
It can't be Susan because she neither shrieked nor cried nor was generally in the way. 
It can't be Susan because she neither shrieked nor cried nor was generally in the way.
She also didn't sprain her ankle.
Immediately after watching "The End of Time, Part Two," I watched "The Five Doctors," to remind myself of what has been established about Rassilon. Unfortunately it also reminded me that Susan sprained her ankle in that story as well.
It can't be Susan because she neither shrieked nor cried nor was generally in the way.
She also didn't sprain her ankle.
Immediately after watching "The End of Time, Part Two," I watched "The Five Doctors," to remind myself of what has been established about Rassilon. Unfortunately it also reminded me that Susan sprained her ankle in that story as well.
True, but that was Susan 1. Remember, one of the characteristics of Doctor 2 was that he loved playing his recorder. Doctor 3 couldn't stand it. Maybe Susan 2 (or 9, or whatever version she is) was a dancer with exceptionally strong ankles?
It was Agrajag. The large fat bat-like creature with altogether too many teeth who had been killed over and over by Arthur Dent.
Personally I found the Agrajag bit in the third book to be some of the funniest stuff I've ever read. To the point where I laughed so hard I started to lose bodily functions.. But that's just me.
I also wonder if there's more to be seen here. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
No, I absolutely agree. Life, the Universe, and Everything is my favorite book of the series and the stuff with Agrajag is a large part of it. Fucking hilarious shit.
I still think it ruined the little mystery of the pot of petunias, because the text, iirc, implied the whale died and was then resurrected as the POP, which made even less sense as they were both supposed to be falling at the same time.
It was a great stand-alone joke in its own right. But that's just me.
It was a great stand-alone joke in its own right. But that's just me.
I'm with Emh and Captain Pike on that one- Agrajag is awesome!
I'm also in the Susan camp.
I'm also in the Susan camp.
The whale was Agrajag's spirit-brother - they both weren't Agrajag.
Going off topic for a moment.
There's no doubt Douglas Adams was a smart and funny guy. His stuff made me laugh so hard when I first heard it that I came close to injuring myself. But not long beofre he died, I realised something: he didn't know how to finish off HHGG. Not talking about the books, the trilogy that was the original radio series. To me it has always seemed that we got 2 parts of a 3 part sequence, and he simply did not know how to do it. The novels didn't do a thing for me except leave me disappointed because they undermined some of what had gone before, and offered no clear resolution. I know it's probably a bit more than that (contractual problems with the BBC, performers, etc. for the series), but I always had the faint impression he simply didn't know. And I reallyt wanted to know what Arthur did nextt, after stranding Ford and Zaphod, and it never happened to my satisfaction.
Of course, YMMV, and I'm fine with that. I may not be right.
And back on topic. Perhaps.
There's no doubt Douglas Adams was a smart and funny guy. His stuff made me laugh so hard when I first heard it that I came close to injuring myself. But not long beofre he died, I realised something: he didn't know how to finish off HHGG. Not talking about the books, the trilogy that was the original radio series. To me it has always seemed that we got 2 parts of a 3 part sequence, and he simply did not know how to do it. The novels didn't do a thing for me except leave me disappointed because they undermined some of what had gone before, and offered no clear resolution. I know it's probably a bit more than that (contractual problems with the BBC, performers, etc. for the series), but I always had the faint impression he simply didn't know. And I reallyt wanted to know what Arthur did nextt, after stranding Ford and Zaphod, and it never happened to my satisfaction.
Of course, YMMV, and I'm fine with that. I may not be right.
And back on topic. Perhaps.
That was always the problem with Adam's material - every iteration of HHG was different and each one undermined the others.
But don't let that put you off. I still enjoy the TV series immensely, but it doesn't really gell with the radio series or the books. There is still some good material in the 3rd, 4th & 5th books, though after the third book it's reduced somewhat (the only things I found really funny in So Long.. were the Rob McKenna stuff, Arthur learning to fly and a few of the guide entries) but hey, it doesn't all have to be ball-tearingly funny and it's all part of the story.
I think, had his life not been cut short, that eventually he would have ended up doing at least one or two more radio specials, and probably another series for BBC TV. The movie would have gone ahead eventually, though only god knows if it would have been any good.
And in an attempt to steer the thread vaguely back on topic -
Not proof, but heres the dialogue from Tomb of the Cybermen -
If the woman was intended to be his mother, then it sort of doesn't quite gell with that.
The implication I got from the juxtopositioning of Donna in the camera's eye when the doctor was asked about the lady in white by Wilf was that it was probably Susan. I'd also wondered if it was Romana.
Who knows really, it was fairly unspecific. I wonder what RTD's true intention was, and whether Julie Gardner is speaking from authority on the commentary or just musing?
But don't let that put you off. I still enjoy the TV series immensely, but it doesn't really gell with the radio series or the books. There is still some good material in the 3rd, 4th & 5th books, though after the third book it's reduced somewhat (the only things I found really funny in So Long.. were the Rob McKenna stuff, Arthur learning to fly and a few of the guide entries) but hey, it doesn't all have to be ball-tearingly funny and it's all part of the story.
I think, had his life not been cut short, that eventually he would have ended up doing at least one or two more radio specials, and probably another series for BBC TV. The movie would have gone ahead eventually, though only god knows if it would have been any good.
And in an attempt to steer the thread vaguely back on topic -
Not proof, but heres the dialogue from Tomb of the Cybermen -
If the woman was intended to be his mother, then it sort of doesn't quite gell with that.
The implication I got from the juxtopositioning of Donna in the camera's eye when the doctor was asked about the lady in white by Wilf was that it was probably Susan. I'd also wondered if it was Romana.
Who knows really, it was fairly unspecific. I wonder what RTD's true intention was, and whether Julie Gardner is speaking from authority on the commentary or just musing?
Exactly. I agree.
It's been awhile but in the Dr. Who movie with the 8th doctor, didn't he make a mention that he was half human on his mother's side which would indicate that his father was a time lord and his mother human.
RTD could have easily ignored it. Canon for Doctor Who is a very weird thing. If the current producer likes it they'll keep it, if not they toss it out.It's been awhile but in the Dr. Who movie with the 8th doctor, didn't he make a mention that he was half human on his mother's side which would indicate that his father was a time lord and his mother human.
If it makes you feel better, the 8th Doctor was lying to keep from weirding Grace out with the alien thing.
I suggest we just pretend it never happened. In time, we will forget it ever happened.
It's been over 40 years since that tombstone said James R. Kirk. Sorry, but science fiction fans love to nitpick and they have extraordinarily long memories. By the time people have forgotten it happened, you and I will long since have turned to dust.
