The Witcher - Netflix

[wayoung]

I watched some "haters" videos, since i didn't read the books, and like 70-80% of Season 2 according to them, had absolutely nothing to do with the books, it's just made up material.
And as far as i am aware, Game is like a million times more popular than books.
So saying something is based on something, doesn't really means much this days, when most of content that is beeing filmed and showed is made up.
So yeah, got to follow the trend. And trend is with the games and not books.

Are you 12? Have you ever heard of this thing called "IP"? Or "Adaptation"? You're complaining about femenizing men and making posts based on self described YouTube haters videos (hmm, I wonder what type, considering your posts) instead of actually knowing what you're talking about.

You can't make a tv show based on the games when you have the rights to the books. Everything unique to the games is protected by their own IP and can't be used.

The games had rights to the books and adapted them to the game, changing a ton, just like the makers of the TV show had the rights to make a TV show and then adapted them into a TV show.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Also, you can think what you want about Liam Hemsworth, but can we stop calling him “discount Hemsworth”? As if he is a cheap knockoff of Chris or something?
He is a Hemsworth period.
And an actor in his own right independent of Chris.
Calling him “discount” is demeaning and cheap.

 

[wayoung]

IP, adaption? If 70-80% of season content is made up, what does it matter? This is probably why Henry Cavill left, cause they were trailing off the book material. And it's a huge deal cause he looked like he really enjoyed portraing Geralt.
You can sweap it under the rug if you want, and continue to be ignorant, but some people like to raise their voices, and they are beeing heard by others.

Ignorant, says the person who doesn't know you can't just adapt a game when you have rights to the book and is alleging there is a vast conspiracy to feminize men among Netflix show writers based on his in depth research of watching self described YouTube haters videos

 

[Kai "the spy"]

IP, adaption? If 70-80% of season content is made up, what does it matter? This is probably why Henry Cavill left, cause they were trailing off the book material. And it's a huge deal cause he looked like he really enjoyed portraing Geralt.
You can sweap it under the rug if you want, and continue to be ignorant, but some people like to raise their voices, and they are beeing heard by others.

Oh you are reading too much in to it. It wasn't netflix, but MiB4 i took as an example of the big change in male characters from the 3 first movies. It was just so noticable in MiB4, one just couldn't over look it. But yea, changes are happening, some adapt to them fast, others takes time.

 

[wayoung]

And what do you know, it's back to complaining about the physical appearances of actresses again, what a shock, when the opening message was a rant about Netflix trying to feminize men as part of a plot, no matter how much he tries to say otherwise now

The goal is to destroy this masculing image of a male character, and replace it with weak obidient side kick like they did with MiB 4 and other Hemsworth( and it worked), and promote the trio, Yennefer, Triss and Ciri.

You do know when you say something that asinine nobody is going to consider anything you write afterwards as worth reading, right?

Can you point out on the doll where the evil women destroying your life didn't touch you?

 

[wayoung]

Opening message was both about miscast and feminization of man. It is becoming clear, that in your rage, you start making up delusions in an attempt to insult, instead of discussing the topic at hand. But it's a normal behavior when you lose an argument and have nothing but insults left to add.

Argument? There is no argument. No rage either. There's just you posting asinine nonsense about gender conspiracies about feminizing men, complaints about attractiveness of actresses ,and not knowing what intellectual property is over and over again and everyone else pointing out it's bullshit and laughing at you. .

 

[wayoung]

You are just beeing ignorant again, like who said anything about attractiveness of actresses, when she is described differently in the book from tv serie adaption.
Just like you ignore the simularities between Geralt fight in the game and tv show that i posted earlier.
Not sure, if there is much to discuss with you, since you don't make any argument, but continue on insulting.

There you go, talking about arguing again. You're not owed an argument from anyone. To argue with someone you need to have some sort of respect for their position. You posted something absolutely ridiculous. I'm laughing at how dumb it is. As are the people who liked my posts. As are the people who replied with gifs. You want an argument, post something worth arguing about. Starting a convo with a conspiracy theory about a plot to feminize men on this forum and no one will ever take anything you say afterwards seriously, nor should they.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

The reason they went with Liam, is because he looks nothing like Henry or Geralt from the game. The goal is to destroy this masculing image of a male character, and replace it with weak obidient side kick like they did with MiB 4 and other Hemsworth( and it worked), and promote the trio, Yennefer, Triss and Ciri.

Allow me to retort. I'm not sure what you consider "masculing" or not, but Liam Hemworth is pretty damn swole, and certainly looks the part to step into Cavill's shoes, physically at least. Which is literally all you have to go on at this point, since you don't know how, or if, the tone or characterization or emphasis on each of the characters has changed.

Your "obidient" servant, Locutus.

Spoiler: Someone definitely didn't skip "every muscle" day.

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, heard it at Nerdrotic. Is that where you heard it too? Or is it spreading beyond that fan club?

This, right here, invalidates the argument. Nerdrotic is click-bait and conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[fireproof78]

Unless of course, you can maybe explaine why such passionate actor like Henry Cavill left Witcher?

He didn't agree with the writers. Not the first time nor the last. As far as news goes this gets filed low on my list of importance.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Masculinity is more than just muscels, it's also behaviors and roles you play, MiB4 was my example as to how it all can change. And based on Henry Cavill departure, i believe they are changing things, and male masculinity is one of the most noticebale changes that is happening all over Television this days.

So, you don't know a damn thing and are just whining about nothing, which I'll grant is on-point for most man-complaining these days.

Which of Liam Hemsworth's roles did you find the most emasculating, exactly? The hunter/soldier fighting an oppressive dictatorship in all three Hunger Games, the Moon pilot/aerospace-fighter pilot fighting invading aliens in Independence Day: Resurgence, the mercenary in Expendables II, the Texas Ranger Wild West gunslinger in The Duel, or the titular prey that turns the tables on his hunter in The Most Dangerous Game?

And there's nothing wrong with varying your resume by doing some more subdued, emotional roles in between action films. It's a smart way to broaden your fanbase / audience and to improve your acting ability and chances of getting more jobs..

Men who are confident in themselves should be perfectly able to get in touch with their emotions and relate with others on that level without considering it weak or "feminizing" (as if that's a bad thing). It's takes more courage to share and confront your emotions than to bottle it all up inside and go around with a huge chip on your shoulder all the time and resentment towards women and other men who allow themselves to be healthy and well-adjusted.

 

[wayoung]

Fellas, is it feminine to be 6 foot 3, 200+lbs of muscle, and sleeping with Miley Cyrus?

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Fellas, is it feminine to be ... sleeping with Miley Cyrus?

...

Can be.

 

[Set Harth]

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Fellas, is it feminine to be 6 foot 3, 200+lbs of muscle, and sleeping with Miley Cyrus?

It came off like a weakling role
I never played Geralt before
All I wanted was to get real swole
But all the writers did was fem-in-ize meeeee
Yeah, it was very side-kick-eeeee

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Back when he thought he was still going over to play Superman in several more films, Cavill seemed pretty enthusiastic about Liam Hemsworth taking over the role of Geralt, and as has been mentioned, he is very passionate about the character and has a strong vision of how the character should be played, so if you value his endorsement highly, he's all aboard the Hemsworth train.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CkTv9Fy...d&ig_rid=be0f328c-2379-489b-86cd-e1482c0ffd47

 

[wayoung]

Fellas, is directly quoting a user's asinine post an agenda to derail the conversation?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I guess departure of Henry Cavill is nothing to you, but to me it's a big deal, and that's what we are discussing here. Just because wayong derailed it in to his feminise agenda and begun insulting on left and right, doesn't mean you have to jump on the hate train, i certainly not going to respond to that anymore.

You brought it up, not wayoung, They just quoted you. It's all there on the page. You're still bringing it up by calling their argument a "feminise agenda", by which I assume you mean feminist, which makes me wonder why that's supposed to be a problem, and why people think throwing "agenda" behind something is supposed to make it sound wrong or sinister.

For my part, it's not a "hate train", because your argument is too ridiculous and weak-sauce to take seriously, and I (and others) have dismantled it logically at every turn. Liam Hemsworth can physically inhabit the role and is the furthest thing from weak or non-masculine (whatever your warped definition of that may be). Hemsworth has played numerous heroic / action oriented roles and is not strictly a star of romance dramas and the like, not that there's anything wrong with having done so. He was endorsed by the previous inhabitant of the role, Cavill. And he seems to be enthusiastically preparing for the part.

There's nothing to justify your silly concerns at this time, and even if there were they don't stop looking silly and weak and the worst kind of toxic masculinity.

Just stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Than you should try re-read it again. He brought the word " femenizing men " in post 284 - i never said first. In post 285 i ignored it and kept on topic about Cavill departure. He brought it up again in post 288, i brushed it off and tried to end it on neutral tone in post 289.
in post 292 he brought it up the 3rd time - so he kept on pushing and already adding insults. My reply in post 293 was an unsuccesful attempt to derail the situation back on topic. And that was pretty much the end of it, i was no longer interested in wayoung, since he was clearly pushing his feminise agenda derailing the topic further off course.

You brought up the rather redundant "goal of destroying this masculine image of a male", in post #273, which, last time I checked, came before #284:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-witcher-netflix.295838/page-14#post-14340481

There is no Geralt with out Henry Cavill.
The reason they went with Liam, is because he looks nothing like Henry or Geralt from the game. The goal is to destroy this masculing image of a male character, and replace it with weak obidient side kick like they did with MiB 4 and other Hemsworth( and it worked), and promote the trio, Yennefer, Triss and Ciri.
But the problem is they misscast both Triss and Yennefer, so they looks nothing like in games, and since few read books, they will need a to create a new audience, cause the current one is already upset greatly about the spin-off, and departure of Henry just ignted the flames.
They could go for 7 season, but 4-7 will not be popular. Also seeing how badly Netflix was doing in 2022, maybe they will cancel season 4, and end it.

Are you done with the masculinity BS now?

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Yeah, but "feminizing men" are different words than "destroy this masculine image of a male character". So there.