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The Whispers

D Man

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Spoilers for everything that's aired so far MAY happen, like any thread around here, so beware. ;)

I just paused "Outlaws" from the first season in my latest re-watch of Lost from the beginning, and I still can't come up with a good reason for "the whispers." In the 2nd season, the idea was that they happened right before the Others showed up. But in the first season, and especially in "Outlaws," it seems to have happened more to be "weird" than to really mean something, which I think season 1 does a lot more than the later seasons.

Case in point: I had to pause and post this topic because Sawyer just heard whispering, and the only clearly understandable phrase was "It'll come back around," which anyone who's seen the ep before knows is what Duckett says to Sawyer right before he (Duckett) dies later in the episode's flashbacks.

Why is that included in the whispers, and why is that the only intelligible bit? Did Sawyer hear that one little phrase? (If he did, he never mentioned it, a la Jack having may or may not heard his father's voice in the shark tank intercom in the S3 premiere...but that's another topic. :borg:) Why does a boar show up instead of the Others directly afterward? Were the Others just around, and happened to whisper this important line from Sawyer's past, while there happened to be a boar nearby? Is it "The Island" mysteriously speaking in this case, or are the Others responsible? Or is it just a case of the season 1 team not yet having a fully clear idea of where they were going?

I personally lean towards that last option. Season 1 is really, really great, but honestly I think it's the only one that doesn't fully fit in with everything they've done since. I could be (and hope I am) wrong, but little things like this I don't think will end up explained at the end, even though the "major" mysteries surely will be.
 
In Season 5, during one of Ben's flashbacks, we see him stealing Rousseau's baby. He tells her that if she hopes to live, she better run and hide anytime she ever hears whispers in the jungle. I assume this means the Others are coming after her.

But yeah, I agree with your assessment. Season 1, as awesome as it is, doesn't completely gel with the rest of the show. The writers obviously hadn't figured everything out yet, so little things like this tend to be a bit inconsistent.

Although, who knows? Maybe the whispers in Season 1 were actually Jacob. If the Others believe Jacob is their leader (and in some cases it would seem they worship him), I could see them mimicking the whispers to keep up appearances.
 
I hope they'll address the Whispers. At the moment, it's not entirely inconsistent with the idea that it's the Others, but it's probably not the best fit. After the season, we'll see for sure. If they don't address it, I'll find some kind of retcon to explain them as the Others, probably.
 
I'm not sure who all the voices are, but I'm pretty certain they are of the same ...level as Jacob and MIB - in fact, some or all the voices may be Jacob and MIB and changing their voices to reflect voices of people in the Losties (respectively) past (i.e. Sawyer hearing Duckettes voice).

I'm hoping that the voices were our first clue that 'the others' were not they 'mysterious' presence on the island. I was so disappointed in season 3, but, now .... I'm thinking I should have been paying more attention to the whispers.
 
Maybe the Island is like the Wormhole in DS9. The Whispers are just other, yet invisible inhabitants. Jacob is the keeper or emissary of the island or chosen one similar to Sisko and MiB is at one point, a protector to the emissary, who eventually turns on them.
 
This thread just makes me miss how awesome and intriguish the Others used to be. :( Still pisses me off how the Losties are, after only a couple of years, superior in every way. Navigating the island, sneaking around, tracking people, hiding their own trakcs, not being a bumbling boob, etc.

So disappointing.
 
The whispers were also heard on the freighter before Michael saw Libby and then later on before Michael saw Christian. That sort of knocks out the whispers being from the Others.
 
The whispers were also heard on the freighter before Michael saw Libby and then later on before Michael saw Christian. That sort of knocks out the whispers being from the Others.
I forgot about those season 4 whispers. That one with Libby is especially suspect, seeing as it happened in NYC, nowhere near the island. The whispers made a great cliffhanger back in "Solitary," but they've kind of lost their focus...as if they ever had a "focus" on this show. How many episodes are left, again? :scream: :p
 
Well we know smokie can some how read peoples minds and memories when it "judges" them.

maybe the whispers are a side effect of that ability whenever smokie is close by? Maybe smokie starts to read the minds of it's target as it closes in?

If the "ghosts" are made by smokie, then we know it has the power to travel off island so that could explain the whispers Michael heard since smokie was appearing in Ghost form to him.

As for the different whispers people hear, maybe Smokie is (was) made up of a gestalt of all the minds of people it has killed in the past? This mental "collective" is what is reading peoples minds and judging them.
 
I may be wrong but I thought that I'd read confirmation from the producers in an interview somewhere that the whispers are supposed to be associated with the Others. Agreed, it does not hold up under scrutiny, and clearly they were thinking of something else when they included them in Outlaws. They must have had something in mind with the whispers in Outlaws, I wonder what the original idea was?
 
Most of the 1st season was made up as it goes along, it's why I don't give a lot of observational credence to stuff that happens in S1. Sometimes the writers may make an effort to link stuff back, if so, very cool of them, but meaningless when it comes to trying to decipher clues.

Just yesterday I read an article/interview with Damon and Carlton where they flat out say it was between Season 1 and 2 whenthey pinned down the mythology behind the show and were stalling until they got an end date to tell it.

There's a bit of inconsistency over time, I've read previous interviews saying they started fleshing things out midway through the 1st, and other times, in between 1 and 2. But either way, it's around the same time, likely late S1 through the "offseason".

As such, if from S2 onwards we've established that the whispers are The Others somehow projecting their voices, then that's most likely the answer, inconsistencies with S1 be damned. I think originally they probably threw around the idea of The Others being more supernatural in nature... something they clearly gave up on at some point late in S2.
 
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I'm trying to remember the Whispers that don't entirely make sense in context of the Others. They seem to have knowledge that they shouldn't have, but I'm not entirely sure they shouldn't have it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Others know about the guy Sawyer killed in Australia? I seem to remember Ben mentioning it or something.

The most logical rationale these days would be for Smokey or Jacob to be causing it, since they seem to have the supernatural force people once associated with The Others. But who knows?
 
Though it would be somewhat disingenuous, it's possible that the whispers don't always originate from the same cause. I.e. the Others make them, but Smokie can also make them.
 
They might explain them yet. I didn't think we'd see anything else involving the numbers, but those have been surprisingly prominent this season.
 
They may never explain the Whispers. Could just be something that occurs when something supernatural is going on.
 
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