Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Foxhot, Oct 18, 2019.
Which probably says something about you.
On one level Rorshach is just Batman without Wayne's money.
I was going to watch the episode today, but after doing some research, I realized that I need more background on the comic and its world, so I'm going to instead finish getting caught up with a Watchmen-focused podcast today and then watch the episode tomorrow instead.
I liked it, but not so much to make me think “Wow, the next great HBO series is here!”
I like the general premise of a world where police are anonymous and fighting against white supremacist terrorists targeting police. There are certain elements which feel like a reach. Like, police having to get special permission to access their firearms. There is no world liberal enough for that to believably happen.
I'll be taking a look tomorrow. Sky Atlantic seem to have picked it up here.
After seeing the first episode, I will probably give it one or two more; but if it's all on the same level as this pilot - IMO it's connection to anything "WATCHMAN" comic story related is nearly non-existent and it's completely mediocre out of the gate. Mr. Lindelof is lucky in that not many writers in Hollywood get to do a personal therapy project. YMMV.
Rorshach is actually literally a Rorshach. He tells us who people are based on what they see in him. For example, Snyder clearly idolized him.
Ah looking for someone to tell you how to feel I see...
The podcast I'm listening to hasn't yet reviewed the TV series, and their review won't be recorded/posted for several days.
It's easy to see why he'd be rooted for the most. But (see below)....
He's also Dirty Harry with eventual empathy, though. Page one of the first issue shows his admiration for Truman's dropping of the bombs. His last page in the final character has him sacrificing himself in memory of the countless millions he generally despised. Whether Snyder thought of that, I can't truly say.
There may not be a second season of WATCHMEN. So far they're going for a self-contained tale with a definite ending. It's refreshing. But I'll support more if they bring it.
I'm reassured that you don't get him.
If you "get" him, you are doing it wrong. Him being morally ambiguous is a part of the multi layered character. You did understand one of the layers - he is a deconstruction of Batman (together with Night Owl).
Rorschach, in the comic book, is also the one who is most mentally ill of the main characters.
That dude snapped.
He's like the Arthur Fleck of the book.
Which is why it's kind of disturbing that Snyder interpreted him as an almost unambiguous hero.
Rorschach has always given boners to a certain sort of fan. Especially the libertarians.
None of the characters, except maybe Night Owl I, are really healthy people. They all fucked up. Night Owl can't get an erection unless he puts on a costume and beats people up.
All of the Watchman have issues, and none of them should be looked up to as heroes.
And that's one of the deconstruction aspects - you'd have to be crazy to become a costumed vigilante.
Sounds like I need to do WAY more background reading for this show, I just went in fresh. What do I need to watch?
Nothing. If this is going to be a good show it will need to stand on its own. If you want to enjoy the winks and nods, just read the book, since its in the book's universe.
You could watch the movie, although the ending of the book and the movie are different and the shows is playing off the end of the book.
That was the strangest thing I've ever seen. I was completely confused, and I've been a Watchmen fan since 1988. My wife said she felt like she walked in to the middle of a movie, and had no idea what to make of anything.
Hopefully things will improve....
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