Of course it is. Especially if she has chunky thighs.
The Way to Eden - Canon?
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Of course it is. Especially if she has chunky thighs.
Kryton said:
Anyone ever notice that, except for the hair and those ears, Sevrin and Melakon ("Patterns of Force") could have been TWINS!
Kryton: You do know the same actor, Skip Homeier, played both roles, yes? -- Red Ranger
People,
To answer the original question, it is canon. Bad canon, but canon.
Still, if I ever buy a boat, I'm either going to register its name as the S.S. Eden or the S.S. Herbert!
If I give it the latter name, every time I go onboard, I'd sing, "Steppin' in to Eden, yay, brother!"
Red Ranger
To answer the original question, it is canon. Bad canon, but canon.
Still, if I ever buy a boat, I'm either going to register its name as the S.S. Eden or the S.S. Herbert!
If I give it the latter name, every time I go onboard, I'd sing, "Steppin' in to Eden, yay, brother!"
Red Ranger
I suspect he does.Red Ranger said:
Kryton said:
Anyone ever notice that, except for the hair and those ears, Sevrin and Melakon ("Patterns of Force") could have been TWINS!
Kryton: You do know the same actor, Skip Homeier, played both roles, yes? -- Red Ranger
I doubt he really cares about Star Trek.
Thank you for getting the joke and yet pretending you did not.Red Ranger said:
Kryton said:
Anyone ever notice that, except for the hair and those ears, Sevrin and Melakon ("Patterns of Force") could have been TWINS!
Kryton: You do know the same actor, Skip Homeier, played both roles, yes? -- Red Ranger
Yeah, it's only not "canon" if it breaks seriously with continuity, in an absolutely unreconcilable way. On quality grounds, if that worked, I'd "decanon" Enterprise, most of Voyager, and half of Next Gen.
Way to Eden seems to me like something that might have been more respectable on paper. I like the idea of the leader's disease, where he has to stay within civilization, but he resents it so much he forms a cult to deny and escape his predicament.
It was brought down by the out-of-touch, silly, Hollywood depiction of the counter-culture, the outfits, and an anti-counter-culture "moral" at the end, warning kids not to be led astray by clever leaders who don't value their sunjects' lives, which come to think, is a valuable message... and I suppose that if you combine that with Spock's support of what they were about, the rank and file 'hippies' that is... maybe it was a balanced message. Still, it comes across as a horror story about how horrible it is to be a 'hippie' (as if anyone on ST knew what that meant).
As for our not having a choice as to what's "canon"... screw that. There WILL come a day when something so awful is made by Hollywood that it can't be accepted by most of us. Then we'll break ourselves of that feeling that if it's onscreen it's automatically "Star Trek". Legally it will be, but if ST gets perverted enough by clueless people in Hollywood, we'll all wise up and say no, ultimately this belongs to us.
Way to Eden seems to me like something that might have been more respectable on paper. I like the idea of the leader's disease, where he has to stay within civilization, but he resents it so much he forms a cult to deny and escape his predicament.
It was brought down by the out-of-touch, silly, Hollywood depiction of the counter-culture, the outfits, and an anti-counter-culture "moral" at the end, warning kids not to be led astray by clever leaders who don't value their sunjects' lives, which come to think, is a valuable message... and I suppose that if you combine that with Spock's support of what they were about, the rank and file 'hippies' that is... maybe it was a balanced message. Still, it comes across as a horror story about how horrible it is to be a 'hippie' (as if anyone on ST knew what that meant).
As for our not having a choice as to what's "canon"... screw that. There WILL come a day when something so awful is made by Hollywood that it can't be accepted by most of us. Then we'll break ourselves of that feeling that if it's onscreen it's automatically "Star Trek". Legally it will be, but if ST gets perverted enough by clueless people in Hollywood, we'll all wise up and say no, ultimately this belongs to us.
Kryton said:
Thank you for getting the joke and yet pretending you did not.Red Ranger said:
Kryton said:
Anyone ever notice that, except for the hair and those ears, Sevrin and Melakon ("Patterns of Force") could have been TWINS!
Kryton: You do know the same actor, Skip Homeier, played both roles, yes? -- Red Ranger
Kryton: I'm cool like that!
It's canon. Lots of bad stuff is canon - including a lot of TOS.
And all of Enterprise.
As i have said before, cannon doesnt mean it has to be.
I accept good trek as good trek and bad as bad. Cannon in my mind is anything i like to think happened, i dont need some jackass telling me whats trek and what isnt.
So this is a bad episode, its officially cannon anyway, but what you think of it is entirely upto you.
Canon isn't something that you can choose (or not) to apply to something. It is, or it isn't. Saying 'I don't consider that canon,' is using the word improperly. It would be like saying 'I don't consider The Way to Eden to have been shown on television.'
This is why a number of people use the phrase 'personal continuity'...because that makes a lot more grammatical sense when describing what you do or do not consider to be a part of Trek.
This is why a number of people use the phrase 'personal continuity'...because that makes a lot more grammatical sense when describing what you do or do not consider to be a part of Trek.
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