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Spoilers The Walking Dead - Season 9 discussion and spoilers

A new series low for the Walking Dead, with 4.39 million viewers, up against the Oscars. No Oscars or All Star Games next week, so I would expect some kind of uptick.
 
That was odd, the tonal shift between Hilltop and the movie theatre was curious, and I really did think they were setting us up to lose with Ezekiel or Jerry. The romance between Lydia and Henry is just so forced, romance on fast forward for plot purposes. And at the risk of being a cold blooded bastard, I get the feeling they'll regret not just getting someone to shoot Alpha the moment the trade was completed.

At least Lydia's reaction to the sound of a baby makes sense now.
 
We also learned that there are more Whisperers than were first apparent, but not so many as to be a major threat-- unless Alpha is still holding back some of her forces.
The actual amount of Whisperers is kind of a moot point.
The threat they pose and the force they have is the ability to herd and guide the Walkers.
 
It's interesting that Alpha seemed to only care about getting her daughter back, yet was willing to let the real Walkers eat the baby. And didn't seem to care at all that Hilltop saved the baby and kept it.
So, about that. From a tactical perspective as a walker whisperer, Alpha made the correct decisions.

First of all, Lydia had by this point amassed some intelligence about Hilltop, as she would have been expected to. Secondly, Alpha had the opportunity to probe Hilltop, gauge their reactions, and so forth. Third, a crying baby does not help the Whisperers do their whispering thing; walker whispering is not a thing that looks like it meshes well with raising babies.

It's entirely possible that recovering Lydia is just the first move in a siege of Hilltop. Now Alpha knows there are other nearby communities too. If Alpha can control an enormous herd of walkers, the Whisperers would pose a real danger to the communities.
 
As I've said before I don't read the comics so no idea how the comic Whisperers story plays out, but at the moment they're being portrayed as more of a force of nature, you stay out of our way and we'll stay out of yours kind of threat. And is their whispering really all that? They might be able to direct walkers, but as the incident with the baby proves, create enough of a distraction and the walkers will walk away, pun intended!
 
As I've said before I don't read the comics so no idea how the comic Whisperers story plays out, but at the moment they're being portrayed as more of a force of nature, you stay out of our way and we'll stay out of yours kind of threat. And is their whispering really all that? They might be able to direct walkers, but as the incident with the baby proves, create enough of a distraction and the walkers will walk away, pun intended!
As demonstrated in the mid-season finale when Jesus went to heaven*, the Whisperers can overcome distractions and get groups of walkers back on track.


* - too soon? :(
 
We also learned that there are more Whisperers than were first apparent, but not so many as to be a major threat-- unless Alpha is still holding back some of her forces.

They are supposed to have large numbers. This was indicated by last season's finale, where the heroes noticed a herd in the distance, which was--according to some--supposed to be Whisperers. Although that would have been foolish to be anywhere near that Saviors vs Team Rick battle, since they could not be sure if either side would not just decide to shoot any nearby walkers from the winners' territory.

It's interesting that Alpha seemed to only care about getting her daughter back, yet was willing to let the real Walkers eat the baby.

Her reasons for getting Lydia back might end up being sick, if this follows the comics.

Ezekiel also came into possession of Michonne's charter, although the exact reasoning behind that eluded me. But Ezekiel, in the present, hopes to get the thing signed at the upcoming Faire, which would make him, Tara, Michonne, and whoever is leading Oceanside the new Founding Fathers. The Sanctuary was also listed on the document, but that community is defunct.

I'm not sure that will ever be signed. Part of the reason I'm saying that is the still unrevealed issue between Michonne/Daryl and Maggie--which seemed to go beyond the Negan matter.

Henry, understandably, was not happy about Lydia being traded back to the Whisperers, even if it was her decision, and has set out after her. The kid is a pain in the ass. He also left a note, resulting in Daryl going after him, and the deaf girl tagging along much to grumpy Daryl's dismay.

He's too impulsive, and you would have thought being raised by Carol and Ezekiel would have shaped him into a level-headed teen, but as we will see, he's just the opposite. He had no reason to think he's a one-man army against an entire community, unless he is that foolhardy.
 
I didn't catch where they were getting the movies. Aren't they all digital these days?


The world fell apart in "Walking Dead" in 2010 so I don't think everything was digital at that point. Especially at one of those older places like the one we saw seemed to be. It would also suck if they ended up stuck with a bad movie like "The Last Airbender" or one of the "Twilight" movies because that is the thing that was playing at the time in that theater. Also even when society falls apart the need for a good HD screening will always be important. So much as even a little grain then they might as well toss it all in the trash as unusable.

Jason
 
Finally got a chance to watch it. Pretty good.

The side-quest for the projector bulb was a bit of head-scratcher for me as it seemed like a kind of distraction that didn't need to exist in a modern world. Yeah, there's a theater at The Kingdom with an analog project that apparently has a burned out bulb, but why risk so much to maybe get another that'll burn out itself at some point? (Forgetting the side-side quest for the lit poster box for the Charter.)

I'd think a digital projector that could be attached to a DVD or Blu-Ray player would be a lot easier to find, not need as much delicate handling and could be quite effective at projecting a big enough image to satisfy a large sized audience.
 
Is Henry supposed to be likable at this point? He is coming off as extremely annoying. Far worse than Carl ever was.

In theory, he's supposed to be likable, but he's extremely hardheaded--still dealing with his "I must act at all costs" mentality brought on by the death of his brother at the hands of Jared. Carl had not been that way since season 3, and even though he fought when necessary and wanted to kill Negan, he grew into a level headed member/occasional leader. Henry has yet to prove he's anything close to that, as he instantly fell for / pledged himself to Lydia, when he was in no position to assume her staying at Hilltop would be wise or safe.
 
Henry was a idiot even when he was being played by the kid actor as well. Like when it walked into the cage with the saviors and some of them escaped.


Jason
 
The actual amount of Whisperers is kind of a moot point.
The threat they pose and the force they have is the ability to herd and guide the Walkers.
True, manipulating the Walkers magnifies their threat, but their actual numbers is valuable tactical knowledge.

So, about that. From a tactical perspective as a walker whisperer, Alpha made the correct decisions.
Yeah, but it seemed orchestrated-- either to make an impression on Hilltop or because Alpha knew somebody was hiding in the corn (or whatever it was). She nodded to the woman to tell her to leave the baby, even though the woman could have easily left as soon as the baby started to cry. And this can't be the first time the baby ever cried, or the first baby they've had among them.
 
Henry was a idiot even when he was being played by the kid actor as well. Like when it walked into the cage with the saviors and some of them escaped.


Jason

I just hope the showrunners steer clear of a plot device where the only thing to stop Henry from being so impulsive/thinking he's right about everything is his mistakes causing the death of another character.
 
Not just in Henry's case. It seems to me that in most cases in TV and in film it's the job of anyone between the ages of seven and seventeen to do something stupid because "emotion." It's why I can't stand kids and teenagers in the shows and movies I watch.
You would think, logically, if kid #35 does something this stupid .... they'd be eaten and thus, removed from the gene pool....
 
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