The Walking Dead Season 5

[Ryan8bit]

I suspect, however, Carol will not survive through the mid-season finale (the cast is starting to get a little bloated and she's on very borrowed time by being a non-comic character and a first-season character.) Which would be a bit of a shame, I guess, but maybe before then we'll get that piece of her humanity still in her to make her death more powerful.

Actually, Carol was in the comics, but was a much different character. I've seen some speculation that Tara could fit the comic Carol role. While show Carol is turning out a bit more like comic Andrea.

And I like the TV Carol, but it would be nice to see a side of her that's not so weary. I really don't want her to die, although I can't say there's really any characters I want to die. There's just those that seem more dispensable than others.

Personally, I think my least favorite character is Beth. I don't know if it's just the character or the actress, but she just doesn't seem all that exciting or unique no matter how many episodes have focus on her. It's also not really a surprise that the episodes that focus on her are have some of the lowest ratings.

Somehow I get the feeling that they're working towards a Carol or Beth death based on the way the characters have been treated, but I think Beth may be more likely.

 

[kitik]

I *do* find it hard to believe both Carol and, especially, Daryl would be so blindsided by Noah's ambush in the skyway.

The chained door really did make for a perfect bottleneck though.

By the way, did everyone (or anyone) else just assume that it was the cops following Daryl and Carol there, not Noah?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Somehow I get the feeling that they're working towards a Carol or Beth death based on the way the characters have been treated, but I think Beth may be more likely.

I hope not. Good drama is not made of shock deaths, and certainly not deaths that fans have been predicting since season 2 regarding Beth and Carol. You can have characters face great danger and convince the audience that all is lost, but there's more than one way to tell the WD story without yet another main character death.

 

[Silvercrest]

I *do* find it hard to believe both Carol and, especially, Daryl would be so blindsided by Noah's ambush in the skyway.

The chained door really did make for a perfect bottleneck though.

By the way, did everyone (or anyone) else just assume that it was the cops following Daryl and Carol there, not Noah?

Nah, I figured the next person to show up would be Noah.

I also figured one of them would get ambushed coming through the door after they showed how much trouble it was to squeeze through. "Good thing we didn't have breakfast", indeed.

And it was pretty obvious that ambulance was going over the edge before they were done. (Anyone think that wreck was left over from Joan's escape?)

They're really telegraphing everything at this point. I figure it must be the universe throwing me a bone for being (apparently) the only person who didn't recognize Carol on the gurney.

Anyway, predictable or not, dumb decisions or not, I'm still having a ball because I like the characters so much.

 

[Sindatur]

@Silvercrest, apparently it's a common bird trait to not have recognized Carol, as I too, am the rare one who didn't recognize her, and the couple of posts talking about Carol/Darryl infiltrating the Hospital threw me for a loop, until I saw someone mention it was her on the Gurney, and folks were speculating based upon that

 

[Trekker4747]

That was Yvette Nicole Brown, and she is one of the best Talking Dead guests, as she really knows and loves the show. Always thinking.

I would love watching the show with her, I suspect it'd be an awesome experience.

 

[Silvercrest]

@Silvercrest, apparently it's a common bird trait to not have recognized Carol, as I too, am the rare one who didn't recognize her, and the couple of posts talking about Carol/Darryl infiltrating the Hospital threw me for a loop, until I saw someone mention it was her on the Gurney, and folks were speculating based upon that

 

[Velocity]

She takes copious notes, she is such a SERIOUS fan. She watches every show 3 times. Makes me wonder if she would be fun to watch with. She might shut you down if you try to comment on what's going on during the show.

 

[auntiehill]

Just finished watching the episode. Oh GOD, I love Carol&Daryl. They're perfect together.

Which means, of course, that Carol is about to die.

I'm kinda looking forward to Rick's group coming to get Beth; it will scare the crap outta the hospital gang. But PUH-LEEZE let Beth be the one to bite it and NOT Carol.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Just finished watching the episode. Oh GOD, I love Carol&Daryl. They're perfect together.

Which means, of course, that Carol is about to die.

I'm kinda looking forward to Rick's group coming to get Beth; it will scare the crap outta the hospital gang. But PUH-LEEZE let Beth be the one to bite it and NOT Carol.

I hope both survive, but this show likes to lean toward the predictable. If they want to use death as a shock gimmick, then kill someone truly considered "off the table" such as Daryl, who comes to rescue his friends, and is successful--only to be forced to make the ultimate sacrifice. Perhaps something this horrible is the final inspiration for Rick to join Abraham in leaving--a final shedding of the seemingly cursed region they've occupied (and suffered in) for two years.

 

[DarthTom]

(and suffered in) for two years.

I wonder how they will resolve Chandler Riggs real life appearance with only two years passing on the show? The actor will be 16 this year which is out of continuity with his alleged age on the show.

 

[Alpha Romeo]

I'm just glad they showed her wiping her face off after the Teminus assault, because that was really bugging me.

Yeah, but blood dries pretty darn fast so I don't think she'd be able to wipe it off so well with a dry or mostly dry cloth.

It wasnt blood...was dirt. Watch episode 1 again.

 

[bbjeg]

A good episode. I totally though Carol faked her injuries to get in the hospital.

A side question I discussed with my brother; did Carol and Daryl have sex (past or presently)? When they were at the farm, Carol propositioned Daryl and I assumed that they did even though they didn't show it but they did show Shane and Lori, Lori and Rick, Andrea and the Governor, Maggie and Glenn, and Rosita and Abraham. If they didn't, why not?

Yes, the guy had a mullet but that doesn't mean he's not a scientist.

On the contrary, having big unruly hair is actually the most scientist-like thing about Eugene...

I don't think you read my sentence correctly.

Now how exactly did the sleeping bag zombies die? They were in a pretty secure location. Access to that bridge seemed pretty zombie-proof at both ends. And yet everyone there was trapped in either a sleeping bag or tent. So it seems like it must have been an inside job, one of their group betrayed everyone else and killed and robbed them...

That question crossed my mind (and I think Daryl's) too. I assumed they died from a flu or something.

Just finished watching the episode. Oh GOD, I love Carol&Daryl. They're perfect together.

Which means, of course, that Carol is about to die. ...

That crossed my mind too, especially after not applying that rule with Bob and Sasha, though Maggie and Glen are still alive so who knows.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Just finished watching the episode. Oh GOD, I love Carol&Daryl. They're perfect together.

Which means, of course, that Carol is about to die.

I'm kinda looking forward to Rick's group coming to get Beth; it will scare the crap outta the hospital gang. But PUH-LEEZE let Beth be the one to bite it and NOT Carol.

So for you is it Darol or Caryl?

 

[Admiral2]

Just finished watching the episode. Oh GOD, I love Carol&Daryl. They're perfect together.

Which means, of course, that Carol is about to die.

I'm kinda looking forward to Rick's group coming to get Beth; it will scare the crap outta the hospital gang. But PUH-LEEZE let Beth be the one to bite it and NOT Carol.

I figure it's Beth. She doesn't have as loyal a fan base.

Daryl's safe because the show would lose half (or more) of its audience...the distaff half.

And Carol Pelletier can't die. Carol Pelletier's so bad-ass the bad guys needed a car to bring her down.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

(and suffered in) for two years.

I wonder how they will resolve Chandler Riggs real life appearance with only two years passing on the show? The actor will be 16 this year which is out of continuity with his alleged age on the show.

I'm not sure. Some kids have quick growth spurts, but that I wonder how that fits into the years passed for the character.

We do know that the group was out in the "wilderness" for some time between the farm and prison (enough for Lori to be overdue in her pregnancy). Next, there's several months between the end of season 3 and start of season 4. Later that season, Joe announced that it was New Year's Eve in the S4 finale "A". By the time Rick's gang traveled to / taken prisoner at and escaped Terminus, it was only few days (at best)--early January.

With the in-series amount of time passed, Riggs' aging could be semi-plausible. Just as long as he does not develop a sudden deep voice and grow another 5 or six inches in season 6.

 

[Tom]

I think the degree of in series 'suspension of disbelief' works for Chandlers aging in the show. It does not bother me, or stand out, probably because it has been 4 years in real time and the audience will sub-consciously equate that with the series.

 

[Trekker4747]

Carl's age will continue to present a sort-of story problem as the series goes on unless we have a time-jump.

If Riggs is 16 then we could probably push Carl's age to 14. Making him 12 when Rick woke from the coma and the world was falling apart. This doesn't have too much of the earlier episodes beginning to make less and less sense but the older Riggs gets, and looks, the harder and harder it's going to be rationalize everything that's happened.

Because at some point it means a 16-year-old Carl was awe-struck by seeing a deer standing in the woods. And that his parents were debating on whether or not saving the life of a 16-year-old-boy and Lori had been doubting herself on letting a teenager go off with his dad to search for a young girl. A young girl Carl played with, as a peer. Is Sophia now retroactively to have been older too?

Is there to be such an age gap between Carl and Judith that in modern-society they'd almost be considered only children? (Seen it happen when the younger sibling is born by the time the older sibling is almost out of the house at at college, or at least old enough to not be a playmate in childhood.)

This sort of the problem when it comes to child actors and TV series that have such slow timelines. Same problems occurred with Lost and Walt. It's one thing to have a young-looking actor in their 20s playing a teenage girl (Beth) but to have a boy entering a period in his life when he's overdue for a massive growth spurt and voice-change playing someone likely still in grade-school it makes less and less sense.

Carl wanted to donate blood to Rick in the hospital and Lori wouldn't let him, presumably because he was too young to fully grasp what he was wanting to do. But if Carl was a teenager, Lori's objections make less and less sense. Rick being upset over Lori's accusations of Rick not loving her and Carl makes less and less sense if Carl is a teenager, old enough to handle such things being said in front of him, old enough to not need to be told gently at school what happened to Rick.

Either Carl needs to die or sooner or later the show's going to need to make a time-jump of a couple years so not only Carl's age catches up with the actor but pretty much everyone else's. (Seriously look at even Rick or Glenn in Season 1 compared to today.) Then for such a time-jump they have to justify how everyone survived the time period without any loss of life.

It *could* be done but has to be done just right to be believable but it's going to need to happen sooner or later. Or else Carl and Beth are going to be the same age (in universe) and Judith is going to be a toddler.

 

[JD]

I just noticed I haven't posted my thoughts on the episode yet.
I really enjoyed this one. I'm a big fan of Daryl and Carol, so I really enjoyed this. I liked the little flashbacks to some of the events in past episodes.
I was actually pretty surprised they ran into Beth's friend from the hospital, I forgot all about him.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

And that his parents were debating on whether or not saving the life of a 16-year-old-boy and Lori had been doubting herself on letting a teenager go off with his dad to search for a young girl. A young girl Carl played with, as a peer. Is Sophia now retroactively to have been older too?

Perhaps by one year? Sophia seemed like she was slightly older than Carl, but acted younger/fearful due to being in a threatening family environment.

Either Carl needs to die or sooner or later the show's going to need to make a time-jump of a couple years so not only Carl's age catches up with the actor but pretty much everyone else's. (Seriously look at even Rick or Glenn in Season 1 compared to today.) Then for such a time-jump they have to justify how everyone survived the time period without any loss of life.

There were several months between season 3 & 4 with no casualties, so it is possible to have the group find yet another secure location and sit it out. Of course, that does not mean the new season will not jump right out with deaths as in season 3, where Lori and T-Dog were killed off just 4 episodes in, setting a new tone for the show.