Spoilers The Walking Dead: Dead City - Season 2
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I thought it was confirmed they were filming a third season right now?
Correct. It's on the previous page.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan was on Seth Meyers last week and he did drop hints that his Zombie fighting days are nearly over, as his body can't take the punishment anymore.
It's possible that if the show gets a fourth season, that might be its last.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan was on Seth Meyers last week and he did drop hints that his Zombie fighting days are nearly over, as his body can't take the punishment anymore.
It's possible that if the show gets a fourth season, that might be its last.
He just did some new streaming AMC movie with Jack Quaid, he looks his age there.
Not a bad idea. When Rick was almost mortally wounded, he believed he spoke to Hershel and Shane (as you pointed out), so if Maggie was on her last leg, so to speak, a vision of Glenn (or Beth) could work, but I'd rather her last moments are shared with those she's leaving.
Yeah, JDM is looking a bit worn, but that's to be expected considering no one is getting any younger and the wear of shooting many productions. The best outcome for all involved is for Dead City's 3rd season to be its last. That can be accomplished in 8 episodes.
JDM is certainly in great shape for someone who is nearly sixty. That said, a show like this could take its toll even on someone who is young and in excellent shape, so it's no surprise to me if he's getting ready to move on. Presuming the third season airs next year, that will mark a decade exactly he's been playing Negan. Even from an acting perspective, it's possible he might be beginning to feel there's nothing more to do with the character.
Fun fact: Lucille was played by JDM's real life wife, Hilarie Burton.
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I hated the finale's ending scene.
Just moments before, Perlie was on the verge of having his head bashed in by Negan. And no matter how much Negan may have changed, he is still the one who brutally and sadistically murdered Glenn. In addition, Negan's existence is a major reason for the rift between Maggie and Hershel.
And yet, there they were, the three of them, Maggie, Perlie and Negan, hanging out in that room together and moping together.
What was said in that voiceover bothered me as well. Maggie and Negan declared that they'll be be moving forward together for the foreseeable future. But why?
I get that this series is about Maggie and Negan. But from a storytelling angle, it seems to me that Maggie's and Negan's adventures together have run its course.
What is Negan's incentive for sticking around in NYC with Maggie? Ginny is dead. In that hallucination, Negan said that he failed Annie. So if he wants to do right for Annie, shouldn't he take off from NYC and go join Annie and Joshua and be a family again?
Couldn't Maggie deal with the Dama and Hershel on her own? It's her fight. Besides Maggie would be rid of Negan if Negan takes off, which should also please Hershel.
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I read an interview that Lauren Cohen did with People's magazine about season 3.
https://people.com/lauren-cohan-on-...the-walking-dead-dead-city-exclusive-11758608 .
Cohan said there will be "something very, very new" for Maggie and Negan.
When this series started, my worst fear (not to be confused with Fear the Walking Dead
) was that the writers would have Maggie and Negan bonding and falling for each other. That would have been outrageous. Thankfully that hasn't happened.Just to be clear, I have not read anything that would indicate that is what is in store for Maggie and Negan. But you never know.
I don't doubt the writers will come up with something very new for the duo next season, as Lauren suggested. I just hope it's not something outrageous.
Maggie explains your observation in her last scene of the season with Hershel, telling him that killing Negan would only make the entire situation worse. You may not be referring to killing, but I believe Maggie is also talking about losing what life she has left to an all-consuming, obsessive death-grudge. She realizes killing Negan will not address her grief or anger and its certainly not bringing Glenn back.
This is not a situation like The Governor, where he was unrepentant until the bitter end (while nearly strangling Rick), thus Michonne running him through with her sword was a case of what one might see as timely "justice" for his numerous crimes (including beheading Hershel only minutes earlier). Instead, Maggie once to distance herself from Negan...until she did not well over a decade after Glenn's death, as seen in the series premiere, where she was hunting him.
Right up to the third act of this season's finale, Maggie had not moved her heart and soul one step closer to absolution, so she only existed for vengeance, which again, would give her nothing. This, plus the fact her bratty ass of a son refused to listen to anyone except some bizarre woman who played into his resentment of an Old World he never knew in favor of a fantasy, one including getting rid of her enemies. He's far from the brightest ZA child or teen character introduced, which is why he could not begin to understand what Maggie meant by refusing to kill Negan.
Perhaps, but I can imagine one of the two sacrificing themselves for the other to add a somber, poignant touch to one of the WD-TV franchises' most effective conflicts (on an emotional level).
With the New Babylon second wave army taking over the Dama's old territory, escaping may not be an easy option--at present.
Hershel is a cult member now, who spits and snaps at his mother for not aiding the Dama in the latter's nonsensical plots--including killing Negan.
When this series started, my worst fear (not to be confused with Fear the Walking Dead
...and it would destroy Negan's arc of change, which included his relationship with the very level-headed, no-nonsense Annie, and for what? A fling?
You're right about that. I understand that Maggie did explain her reasoning.
But the way I see it, Maggie can part ways with Negan without killing Negan. They can go their own separate way like what happened with the surviving characters at the end of Fear the Walking Dead.
I don't think the writers did a good job of setting up why Maggie and Negan need to be together going forward, for another season.
Negan has Annie and Joshua. Why does he need Maggie? His obligation to Maggie has been fulfilled. They found Hershel.
Maggie had her chance to kill Negan, and she ultimately didn't do it or wants to anymore. Hershel is Maggie's problem to deal with, not Negan's.
I am curious to see why the writers had Maggie say in the voiceover that "we move on(per Negan) ... together ... and we get there." I don't understand why Maggie would want to continuously be around the man who murdered Glenn.
Judging from the way Perlie, Maggie and Negan regarded the NBF's 2nd invasion wave, they would need to avoid them as much as any of the Burazi and the Dama. For all anyone knows, Narvaez alerted (or set up in advance) the 2nd wave to distrust Maggie and Perlie, or perhaps gave them the order to kill them when they hit the shore.. As of the 2nd season finale, Maggie and/or Negan are sort of landlocked by the invasion, so its not as though either could just jump into a car and vanish, or return to New Babylon.
If you recall, it was the Dama's people (the Burazi) who held Annie and Joshua hostage, and were responsible for transporting them to and from Manhattan. Negan still has that to deal with. Yes, they found Hershel, but he's firmly under the control of the Dama, and now that Negan is aware of her attempt to have him killed (and still has minions holding Annie and Joshua hostage), he has some unfinished business with her In any case, Negan technically has a reason to still be in Maggie's company as she attempts to rescue Hershel from their mutual enemy.
About that knife attack. Unless Perlie used some sort of professional grade antiseptic on Negan's wound, he runs the risk of ending up--ironically enough--like Ginny. In a way, that would be a bit of narrative symmetry to have Negan die much in the same way as Ginny--but not before he has a last hurrah of vengeance against the Dama and/or New Babylon.
See the reason I offered above.
I forgot about that. That Annie and Joshua were in the custody of the Burazi.
But Negan is the leader of the Burazi, and it was Negan who gave those Burazi the order to escort Annie & Joshua out of Manhattan. So wouldn't that make those Burazi, who were escorting Annie & Joshua, Negan's minions; assuming they managed to elude the NB invasion and are still loyal to Negan. I guess we'll find out in season 3.
I see your point. As a practical matter, Maggie and Negan are stuck on Manhattan.
For me, from a storytelling angle, it would have made sense for Maggie to want to part ways with Negan after Perlie applied first aid to Negan's stab wound.
Isn't the premise of the show, that Maggie, in order to rescue her son, was compelled to put aside her want for vengeance and to have to work with the man who murdered Glenn.
But the way the finale unfolded, it seemed that Maggie had some sort of change of heart. It came across to me, that Maggie now wants Negan to be a part of her life going forward, and not necessarily because she needs Negan for practical purposes.
And it wasn't just what Maggie said about togetherness in the voiceover.
Remember when Maggie gave Negan the knife, so that Negan could mercy kill dead Ginny. She didn't just hand it to Negan. Maggie softly grasped Negan's hand in an affectionate manner. And after the deed was done, Maggie stroked Negan's back.
This is the same Negan who murdered Glenn, and who moments earlier, did his sadistic "eenie, meenie, miney, mo" schtick, and was about to bash Perlie's head.
And yet, Maggie sees her future together with Negan. As I wrote in my previous post, I don't understand why Maggie would want to be around the man who bludgeoned Glenn, any longer than necessary.
I don't know what season 3 has in store, but I hope it makes reasonable sense.
Yes! Was waiting for the news.
I really feel this show is contrived, basically done to squeeze the last out of The Walking Dead franchise, with actors who weren't able to get a bigger career going. They are good actors, and it's a mystery to me why they can't get more work.
They had wrapped their storyline at the end of TWD, and basically undid it to make this show.
Now, for the end of this season (and really the whole season), they had Negan basically forget why he did what he did (presumably had time to reflect when he was in jail the in-between years of TWD). .
Negan should have been putting on an act, and let his new "allies' know that's how he is able to succeed.... TO when he attacked the initial New Babylon boat, he could have brought up to the Croat, how he was able to install fear when he seemed to show "restraint".
And the eeny-meeny-miny-moe.... that is usually done with a small group of leaders, in order to break them into submission. Instead of making a point, and scaring someone, this was done ONLY for pleasure. And that seemed like he regressed.
I hope next season is the last....dragging it more would just seem like how Sony made the Garfield movies just so they could keep the license. (Money vs creativity)
They had wrapped their storyline at the end of TWD, and basically undid it to make this show.
Now, for the end of this season (and really the whole season), they had Negan basically forget why he did what he did (presumably had time to reflect when he was in jail the in-between years of TWD). .
Negan should have been putting on an act, and let his new "allies' know that's how he is able to succeed.... TO when he attacked the initial New Babylon boat, he could have brought up to the Croat, how he was able to install fear when he seemed to show "restraint".
And the eeny-meeny-miny-moe.... that is usually done with a small group of leaders, in order to break them into submission. Instead of making a point, and scaring someone, this was done ONLY for pleasure. And that seemed like he regressed.
I hope next season is the last....dragging it more would just seem like how Sony made the Garfield movies just so they could keep the license. (Money vs creativity)
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