"The Wait is Over..."

[Shazam!]

The only series I'd like to see is a retro-as-fuck 60s movie level sci-fi series that takes real world issues and transposes them into an alien, off-the-wall, environment.

Give me women in mini-skirts, rocket ships, aliens with massive heads, multi-coloured planets, and space blobs fucking with our minds for a laugh. It'd be Barbarella meets The Twilight Zone.

A 'birth of the federation' type series sounds like the dullest thing in the world.

 

[peteym5]

Thankyou I have read the IO9 article and agree the ground are fertile for a new Star Trek show. One TV show on the air I can see going several years is Stargate Universe. It is a departure from the two prior Stargate shows, has similarities to Battlestar Galactica. If CBS/Paramount can utilize that serilized style for a new Star Trek show, they will have something interesting for people.

However Star Trek had many great stand alone episodes. The show will have to find a way to use both. Maybe set it up with mini arcs, two-parters, character arcs, episodes ending open to be concluded several episodes later. etc. Deep Space Nine was doing that and Enterprise tried to do it in attempt to save the show. Enterprise could have been set up that way from the start. The Next Generation also did very well with their character and story arcs.

I maintain you have to stick with the popular elements of the Star Trek universe. It will be a mistake to leave out the Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans, etc. The Captain always has to be that strong charismatic leader and still be human. If its 24th century, include the Borg, Cardassians, Ferringi, etc. The fans like to see stories inolving the popular races and cultures.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

None of the suggestions at IO9 contain anything to intrigue someone who's not already a trekkie.

 

[Saul]

What I want to see: totally serialized show either based in the 22nd C, with Birth of the Federation as the organizing principle (ie, ENT done right) or post-Dominion War, centered on Deep Space Nine, with some of the same characters and some new ones.

What would be best for the franchise: set in the 23rd C, following the semi-serialized adventures of a crew on a Starfleet vessel other than the Enterprise, with (rare) special guest cameos by the Trek XI stars, but with the appeal generated largely by the very appealling characters and their zany, touching, courageous, thought-provoking, and fun adventures.

Since "what I want to see" would get cancelled in a Scalosian minute, I'll go with "what would be best for the franchise."

Pretty much my thinking too. Would love to see 22nd Century show done right but the success lies in something closer to the new movie i.e. 23rd Century starfleet vessel.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Well then as long as financial reasons are the main reason why CBS won't start working on producing a new Star Trek series then yeah I don't think we'll see one for at least five years if not longer. We could be in that second lag like what happened after the original series was canceled. I'm kind of surprised that outside of that animated series and the JMS reboot that no one has pitched CBS anything even with the cost cutting policy in tact they could still technically take pitches if they wanted to.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Drop a line in the next movie about how the 43 (?) Klingon ships that nero destroyed were the last ones defending the Klingon Homeworld. Large parts of the planet destroyed. Drop the Klingons down to a minor threat and bring on some new bad guys.

Think of the Roman Empire if Rome was destroyed. The Klingons that are left would have their hands full trying to put it back together.

 

[Rojixus]

It can't be any worse than Stargate Universe.

 

[T'Girl]

It's vastly more interesting right now to see the original Star Trek recreated for the first time in a context that makes real sense as an ongoing movie series.

Depending on the movies for Star Trek mean just one thing. Two hours of content every third year.

Why not Romulans for a while?

For a while? The main heavies in the last two movies, major players in the last series, the Romulans have been done to absolute death. We need another century of isolation from them.

many references to Deep Space Nine
the aftermath of the Dominion War
whats going on with the Borg
the future Janeway
what would happen if the Hirogen
whats going on with Q . . . Klingons . . . Feringi,

How is any of this NEW. It's all looking backward. Don't get me wrong, there will be some reoccurring basic themes, but all the previous used characters have to go. The Dominion, the Borg and the Cardassian have all served their purposes and they have to go. To have any new series begin with the writers simply recycling old ideas is a recipe for failure.

Major characters, allies and villains need to be fresh, built from scratch. What ENT did with the Andorians is a good example, TPTB took a pretty unknown race and built them up (almost) from nothing.

It can't be any worse than Stargate Universe.

You're right . . . nothing could be worst than Universe.

 

[clever_username]

post-nem series with romulan exchange officers serving aboard a starfleet ship, and vice-versa. throw in a tal shiar and section 31 agent into the mix, and let the adventure continue!

 

[Tarek71]

I suspect the situation is like that in the late 80s where Harve Bennett was running the movies, and the TV show was something separate. I dont think JJ will be involved in any TV show. I think he has said that his contract does not include a Trek TV production and that hes not the overall "ST Tsar" the way Berman was. Ie, any potential TV production team would not require his input, approval or oversight for anything they might decide to do.

If thats true (and maybe it isnt), I think its likely that whoever will be brought in to do a show when the time comes will have their own ideas of how to do ST, and that may include anything up to and including a complete reboot.

The Bermanverse is probably dead forever, and the JJverse may last only as long as JJ makes the movies. If he should move on from ST in a few years, the JJverse may be scrapped or reimagined even for the movies, depending on who they hire to make new ST movies.

Unless you have a ST Tsar who is willing to settle in and run the franchise for 15-20+ years, you can probably forget having the kind of continuity we had gotten used to.

If production teams turn over every several years or so that could mean a new take on the ST universe with each new team, whether the changes are major or minor.

Having said all that, who knows what century or timeline might be used? Or which timeline? I have no idea. I certainly dont think CBS execs care what age Kirk was when he became Captain, or whether Vulcan still exists or not or whether Spocks mother is alive or dead. None of those details will decide if a show is greenlit or not.

Im open to anything that seems like Trek to me. It can include elements of the existing timelines but in its own continuity (a reboot, in othe words) or it can be something within the existing ones. It probably will be awhile in any case.

I wouldnt mind the 22nd Century and the birth of the Federation. It would not be a "prequel" exactly, if its an open ended reboot. Or it could be another crack at young Kirk. Audiences in '83 didnt mind two different Bonds. No one was confused and both rival Bond flicks were big hits, so I dont worry about that. Or Brandon Routh and Tom Welling as Superman. Again, no confusions, no issues. Same character, different versions. The audience is a-ok with it.

Its wide open.

 

[peteym5]

many references to Deep Space Nine
the aftermath of the Dominion War
whats going on with the Borg
the future Janeway
what would happen if the Hirogen
whats going on with Q . . . Klingons . . . Feringi,

How is any of this NEW. It's all looking backward. Don't get me wrong, there will be some reoccurring basic themes, but all the previous used characters have to go. The Dominion, the Borg and the Cardassian have all served their purposes and they have to go. To have any new series begin with the writers simply recycling old ideas is a recipe for failure.

I cannot disagree that these races have served their purposes in the past, but they still can be source material for a new show. I am not saying make a new show focus on just prior races, just do a episode here and there that has something going on with one or two of them. Bring us up to date what happened since the other shows and movies ended. If a new show is going continue in the 24th century Star Trek, you are going to run into them at some point.

That does leave room open for new races and new villains. What if something is threatening the Federation along with other Alpha Quadrant races? What if something conquered one of them and are now coming after Earth? Then you have involvement with the Klingons, Romulans, Feringi, etc. There are so many possibilities that can be mixed together. I think you cannot do much with the Cardassian Union since its been established they were devastated at the end of DS9. They probably wouldn't be allowed to rebuild a fleet to become a problem with the Alpha Quadrant. So you can probably keep them out of the main focus.

I agree the Rick Berman version of Star Trek is probably dead, it was dying after DS9 ended. Voyager did not offer much in its last 2 years. Personally I thought Enterprise had a better cast than Voyager, but the writers blundered during its 2nd season and that is when it jumped the shark. They did a good job during its 3rd and 4th year, but many people just stopped watching it by then. I look at Voyager and Enterprise as examples of what not to do for a new show.

 

[AviTrek]

Bring us up to date what happened since the other shows and movies ended.

That's your problem. The general public doesn't want to be brought up to date. The general public doesn't care. Honestly, the general public doesn't even know what those races are. If a new show is going to succeed it needs to reach more than the readers of this forum. And when you write a show to bring people "up to date" on what has happened since shows/movies that no one saw ended you just turned off the audience you need to survive.

 

[peteym5]

That may depend on which race and what Star Trek series they were featured in. The Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans were featured in all 5 shows. They are a part of Star Trek. Maybe re-introduce them upon first featuring them for the new viewer. Even someone who loosely watches Star Trek knows about the guys with pointed ears. The Cardassians, Feringi, Bajorans, and even the Borg, maybe not as popular. If you were to feature them, you have a crew member mention something about their history. Maybe re-introduce them in a similar matter like Romulans were bought into The Next Generation. Would you like to see a Star Trek show totally without Klingons?

 

[xortex]

The major powers have to be redefined with each new show. At least Moore tried.

 

[AviTrek]

That may depend on which race and what Star Trek series they were featured in. The Vulcans, Klingons and Romulans were featured in all 5 shows. They are a part of Star Trek. Maybe re-introduce them upon first featuring them for the new viewer. Even someone who loosely watches Star Trek knows about the guys with pointed ears. The Cardassians, Feringi, Bajorans, and even the Borg, maybe not as popular. If you were to feature them, you have a crew member mention something about their history. Maybe re-introduce them in a similar matter like Romulans were bought into The Next Generation. Would you like to see a Star Trek show totally without Klingons?

You're right, the publics know who the Vulcans, Romulans, and Klingons are. But the public doesn't care about the new Romulan senate post Nemesis, the state of Vulcan/Romulan reunification, how Chancellor Martok ran the Klingon empire, or any of the other ideas that get thrown out here.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's vastly more interesting right now to see the original Star Trek recreated for the first time in a context that makes real sense as an ongoing movie series.

Depending on the movies for Star Trek mean just one thing. Two hours of content every third year.

Good. That means they won't wear it out so quickly this time around.

 

[Dukhat]

It's vastly more interesting right now to see the original Star Trek recreated for the first time in a context that makes real sense as an ongoing movie series.

Depending on the movies for Star Trek mean just one thing. Two hours of content every third year.

Good. That means they won't wear it out so quickly this time around.

^This. If you want an example of Star Trek being run into the ground, watch ENTERPRISE. Is that what you want?

 

[Bishop76]

I agree with both of the above - Star Trek was so abundant for so many years and so devoid of originality by the end of it that we need a little scarcity to make everyone actually WANT it to come back rather than wanting it to just go away.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I thought most of Enterprise was just fine, though I could have lived with less fan service in the last season. That said, the series was too little too late.

 

[Bishop76]

I go the other way on that - I thought Enterprise finally got it right in the final season. Not that it matters - either way, it was too little, too late.