No, why would he be dead? The Kelvin scenes in Star Trek (2009) are set in 2233, ten years before TOS would be 2255, so twenty-two years later. I'm sure Faran Tahir can pull that off with some minimal make-up applied.
The value (or not) of casting nu-Trek actors as their Discovery counterparts when the time comes
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As a huge fan of the movies, I would love to see the Kelvin movie actors crop up to reprise their roles. And I think fans are smart enough to comprehend they're alternate versions of the same characters.
That said, it'd cost a lot less to recast the roles for TV, and I'm a fan of all the different versions of superhero characters out there (someone brought up the concurrent TV and movie versions of The Flash), so won't complain if they go the other way. It'll be interesting to see how fans might react to more radically different interpretations of the Trek characters.
That said, it'd cost a lot less to recast the roles for TV, and I'm a fan of all the different versions of superhero characters out there (someone brought up the concurrent TV and movie versions of The Flash), so won't complain if they go the other way. It'll be interesting to see how fans might react to more radically different interpretations of the Trek characters.
If they can get Quinto for a Spock appearance they will do it.
The ratings boost, or the on demand equivalent, will be well worth the investment.
The ratings boost, or the on demand equivalent, will be well worth the investment.
Shoehorning the TOS characters into DIS would be a mistake. We all know how the final episode of ENT turned out... if you can call it an episode of ENT. It was more like a bonus TNG episode where Riker patted the old Enterprise crew on the head and said "You did alright." before going on his merry way. I know what the intent was, but it seemed more like a way for ENT to lean on the success of a much more popular show, and I don't want that to be DIS.
Maybe DIS would opt to do more tasteful cameos in the same vein as TNG's Scotty or McCoy appearances, but even then, you'd run into problems because you'd either need to use the ST09 cast (unlikely due to expense, also confusing for new viewers) or you would need to recast the TOS characters AGAIN and then we'd have three sets of them -- which would be somewhat disjointed and also not get the sort of reaction out of modern audiences that having Quinto et al. would.
There are plenty of better cameo ideas in the cameo thread. Ideas which won't make the DIS characters subordinate to another series'.
Maybe DIS would opt to do more tasteful cameos in the same vein as TNG's Scotty or McCoy appearances, but even then, you'd run into problems because you'd either need to use the ST09 cast (unlikely due to expense, also confusing for new viewers) or you would need to recast the TOS characters AGAIN and then we'd have three sets of them -- which would be somewhat disjointed and also not get the sort of reaction out of modern audiences that having Quinto et al. would.
There are plenty of better cameo ideas in the cameo thread. Ideas which won't make the DIS characters subordinate to another series'.
I hope they won't have any major TOS characters in the first season of DSC. The show really has to stand on its own feet, and previous crossovers always felt forced.
That said, I'm not opposed to NuTrek actors turning up eventually. Fuller has said he wants to explore other time periods in later series, so the age factor might not be a problem.
That said, I'm not opposed to NuTrek actors turning up eventually. Fuller has said he wants to explore other time periods in later series, so the age factor might not be a problem.
My first prediction when I heard the timeframe of DISCOVERY: it'll be inevitable that some of the reboot film cast will guest star as their Prime Universe counterparts.
In fact, I wonder if that factored into the timeline decision.
In fact, I wonder if that factored into the timeline decision.
It would be a nice occasional touch, but I wouldn't want to see too many crossovers. It can feel gimmicky. And it might be confusing to casual viewers who aren't up to speed on the different alternate realities/universes of the movies and TV shows.
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I'm more or less indifferent. I don't find the new films to be so emphatically different that they deserve their own timeline or could not have been folded into the original Enterprise's five year mission. I don't even care if the optics of Discovery will clash with those of the new movies. If Pine or Quinto want to slum it out on TV as Kirk and Spock, I don't mind.
While I don't really care for cameos in DSC, especially during the first season, I would like to see some kind of cameo in the first episode for the sake of tradition.
Bruce Greenwood appearing in the role of Captain Pike would be terrific.
Bruce Greenwood appearing in the role of Captain Pike would be terrific.
The only guest star from previous Trek I'd like to see is Shatner as Tiberius Kirk. The rest can pound sand. 
Wouldn't you expect the JJ cast would not be "allowed" to be in the series? Shatner could appear but as whom, Kirk's grandfather?
Whereas I thought the timeline decision was a deliberate distancing from the movies. If they'd wanted crossover it would have made more sense to set Discovery contemporary with the movies in the Kelvinverse.
In fact, I would prefer that setting in nearly all respects, but they didn't go for it - there must be a creative reason to deliberately side step your existing successful movie franchise, so I'm not expecting much shoehorned-in crossover.
Except we're not talking about shoe-horning, we're talking about a situation where the story makes sense to include a cameo or guest appearance. "Sarek," "Unification," and "Relics" come to mind, which while i'm sure started out as ratings-boosters, became great episodes. The second of which happens to be one of my favorite TNG episodes, perhaps even my favorite of any 90s-era Trek. Even Riker (well, Thomas) guesting on DS9 turned into a fantastic episode. The shoehorningRiker and Geordi cameos on Voyager, and Tuvok on DS9 also worked just fine, in my opinion, as they were just sort of throwaway scenes and didn't detract or distract too much, while helping the overal connectivity of the series'.
So in the case where there is an episode that involves them, the question is, do you recast, or use Greenwood, Pine, Quinto, etc? My opinion is recast, for one reason mentioned above: time-wise, they should be 10-15 years younger, and while it's easy to pull off 10-20 yrs older, younger is tougher. Even Pine on STB looks noticeably older than he does in ST09. Combined with the cost of those principle actors, it just is too easy to recast.
That said, my opinion is not terribly strong either way.
If they wanted actors from the new movies to have a role in Discovery I'd imagine it would have been easier to just set the show in the Kelvin universe to begin with. I would be very hesitant to invite that kind of confusion for a magnitude of reasons.
DSC is set in the real timeline (a k a "Prime") so no, I would not like to see any Abramstrek actors on the show. Even some of the regular TOS crewmembers (recast) would be iffy. A bit part by a Pike or April would be fine, but that's about it. Perhaps and old Shran or Soval too, but let DSC stand on its own feet.
Honestly, they shouldn't even touch on this idea till at least the third season. Maybe save it for season four if they need material for a 55th anniversary episode.
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