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The Valiant are with us

Qonundrum

Just graduated from Camp Ridiculous
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There's a lot I liked about the episode, including how Cadet Captain (Aka "the bloke who looks like Chris Pine who looks like William Shatner" or "Captain Gunho" cuz that's faster to type) could not be overrode by Nog.

The setup and climax are both somewhat contrived, as the cadet would be told to take the ship home if he were to be killed. It's a powerful enough war ship and not a cruise holiday vacation liner.

And how could the Dominion ship manage to not shoot the other pod? (Or "The Rule of Main Cast Members not being blown to bits(tm) during midseason".)

But those aside, there is an interesting theme or two being explored that more than make up for the brushed aside opening an denouement: Ego, Icarus & Daedalus, drug use (uppers) to get through harsh times, chain of command, how captains become great (though Jake's reasoning wouldn't be listened to by any number of reasons)

I also liked how Jake and the crewmember he talks with (who looks surprisingly a lot like Tilly) is followed up by what would be a cliched offsreen event had they talked after Captain Gunho hold him not to because we knew Jake would. This brings up two if not more interesting concepts in play in this episode) An innovative and handling of an important subplot to bypass expectation.

It's also an interesting scene as we see just how war impacts the not fully trained, which reminds me of WW1 doughboys, Vietnam soldiers, and everyone in between - if not more. Captain Gunho was right, just as Picard was to Wesley in "Contagion" over the deaths of the Yamato crew (about being trained to put emotions aside).

One really wants to feel for the Squadron as they realize their intel wasn't perfected. The heart sinks as the ship survives unscathed and all heck breaks loose.

The ending is unintentionally hilarious as Nog reminds Jake to cover both sides of the story but is adamant in that Captain Gunho is a bad, bad captain while returning the lapel pin in knee-jerk emotive disgust, without thinking of the other side - it'd be easier if Jake's new colleague had died with everyone else. The captain was flawed. He wanted his TEAM to still have greater glory (ego). He made a very bad and stupid decision (a risk that would help not just the war but the sheer awesomeness of Red Squad), or others, but he wasn't overtly evil as such - scene set pieces would show him being more than a young adult popping pills and wanting to keep "Red Kangs Squad the best" true to its myth. He wanted to find a way to end the war but all he did was prolong it. As well as not transmitting the ship weakness to Stafleet Command for further analysis, which was an interesting omission that also reminded why they're cadets.

It's not without its faults, certainly, it's only a 43 minute episode that had to put in constraints somewhere, but what it does focus on allows much food for thought and makes it easy to forgive the opening and endings, both rushed to focus on the meat in the middle of this sandwich of an episode.

9/10
 
When this episode is brought up all I can think is "let's find the most annoying 3rd rate young actors around and put them on television."


Yeah, the acting was wooden at times - but at least they weren't hyperactive, not even Cap'n Poppers there!

"Proud... Fearless... Exactly the type that will get us all killed if we're not careful."

Which is amusing since "Risk is our business" and Cap'n Triggerfinger there trying to be like Kirk (who was also the youngest captain in the Fleet for some time as well!) and Picard and Sisko but decades ahead of himself - he's still a cadet and without the experience as a counterbalance. I think that concept could have been honed a little more, all things considered.
 
-The Defector

Which was also written by Ronald D. Moore.

To be honest, I never could find a way to root for Red Squad. They came across as so unlikeable. He was a bad captain... he didn't just get his crew killed, but he got a Defiant class ship destroyed. You know how hard it is to kill one of that class? Even the Borg couldn't do it.

(Though we better hope they never assimilate a Breen ship...)
 
Yes. War is a team sport. The Valiant more than did her duty by gathering data on the dreadnaught. Their job then was to make sure the data got to Starfleet so they could use it. Instead, they lost a crew who would have made good junior officers, and a Defiant class ship that would have been valuable anytime and priceless in war. And probably didn't get the data on the dreadnaught out to anyone who could use it, unless Nog's pod happened to have it.
 
The original version of the Kelvin crew, with a lot less common sense. Or would Kirk have done the same thing?

It was hard to get pass all that sneering, and arrogance and obnoxious chanting to root for them, although you do root for them, simply because they are on our side, and the Dominion ship is so threatening.

The whole thing was a waste- they could have done something valuable and be heroes, but they threw it away.
 
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