I wish they had done more of that in the final seasons but unfortunately when the focus shifted to the Doctor and Seven there was no longer time for that sort of thing.
The Unofficial Janeway Bashing thread
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I wish they had done more of that in the final seasons but unfortunately when the focus shifted to the Doctor and Seven there was no longer time for that sort of thing.
Perhaps inconsistency is human. Everyday was a challenge and each situation needed to be looked at with a fresh perspective. After all Voyager was ALONE constantly facing death and destruction with no one to call and no back up it was a concept new to ST. The weight of commanding an entire ship everyone has an opinion on how they would have done it better…
However, Janeway was consistent. Consistently flexible. Consistently right. Consistently knowledgeable. Consistently alert. Consistently exploring. Consistently strong. Consistently trying to get home. Consistently having to make life changing decisions. Consistently drinking her coffee BLACK. Consistently changing her hair-do. Consistently doing that thing with her pointer finger when she is plotting. Consistently ignoring the love she had for her first officer. Consistently looking at his rear errrrrr..... Consistently HOT
Let us go on feel free to add to her consistencies... and inconsistencies for all you haters.
Go ahead let it all out… tell me. I want examples.
I liked her inconsistency.
If she'd truly been "consistently right," she would have been a truly lousy character.
YMMV and obviously does.
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[/QUOTE]I thought she did in "Dark Frontier"?
I agree with this quote. I think Janeway's one major problem with me was that I wish she had stated verbally at least once how the journey had changed her outlook. It would have put everything into focus.
Does um, does that fit in this thread?
I do remember her comment to Chakotay about how she was tried of turning tail at every other obsticle & threat and how going forward she was going to face problems head on.
I liked her inconsistency.
If she'd truly been "consistently right," she would have been a truly lousy character.
YMMV and obviously does.
Yeah I know. I was wondering when that would get brought up.
YMMV??
"Your Mileage May Vary".
Meaning that how one person thinks or feels about something may be different from what someone else thinks or feels about something.
Ah, yes, I liked that the show made her wrong sometimes. They made her a little too "right all the time so bite me" in the beginning of the show, so it was cool when she'd do something (right or wrong) and there were consequences (Arturis, the sentient holograms, Equinox, the Array, the Kyrian/Vaskan conflict etc.) She wasn't always right, and sometimes she had only two crappy options and had to go with the least crappy. But she never balked from making the hard calls. She'd never go halfway.
They also actually had her second-guessing herself at times in the later seasons. "Night" was a big one, of course, but there were other scenes and throwaway lines that showed she was getting a bit more introspective.
...we're not doing a very good job of bashing, are we?
I see... Thank you for clearing that up.
Knowing now what was ment by that statement I'd like to add that obviously I don't expect anyone to agree with anything I happen to think. Obviously
What I did like that I am positive not everyone will agree with, is that Janeway was stubborn and didn't usually change her mind after making a decision. She was usually right on with her gut feelings. Isn't that how captains should be? Who would want to put their lives in the hands of someone who second guesses their own decisions?
In fact, in the TNG episode where Picard and Crusher are captured and wind up being able to read each other's minds due to an implant, we learn that Picard is often unsure but doesn't show it.
"Attached"
Captains follow their instincts or at least try to make the people they are leading feel comfortable with the captain's command of the situation. Janeway's no different from Picard in that manner.
"Attached"
Captains follow their instincts or at least try to make the people they are leading feel comfortable with the captain's command of the situation. Janeway's no different from Picard in that manner.
And people gave me shit about a thread i started. I can understand that you don't like Janeway, she's not exactly my favorite either, but i wouldn't bash her either. Although I am a J/Cer she did do some things that we're... controversial i guess is how you can put it. But like all of us, she's only human. She can't impress everyone.
Can't say I've ever felt much need to bash her - I don't think she's the most interesting of characters, but Kate Mulgrew did a good job of playing her.
I'm sure Tuvok wasn't having sex either. And Chakotay broke up with seska before they even got onboard, so you know he didn't get any.
Tuvok experienced pon farr and had sex with a holographic version of his wife.
We don't know who was or wasn't getting any (barring the crewmembers who became pregnant) because it's never stated. And the holodeck is always available.
We don't know who was or wasn't getting any (barring the crewmembers who became pregnant) because it's never stated. And the holodeck is always available.
When did that happen? I think i know which episode but i'm not completely sure.
I think it was Body and Soul,, when The EMH took over Seven's body after they were kidnapped by a hologram hating race. Tom devised the holoprogram for Tuvok, who complained that one of his wife's ears was something like 2 mms lower than it was supposed to be.Neelix also had that raucous realtionship with the Klingon woman in Prophecy
^That is indeed correct.
