The Unofficial Janeway Bashing thread

[vas2009]

Comments like she rolled her eyes because of some pompous jerk who was being completely disrespectful to the Captain... are ridicules examples of why Janeway is so awful.

Are there no instances with any of the other captains? Janeway is the only one who "rolls her eyes"?

All the comments like she is not realistic, she's a murderer, her character is poorly written, and she is not consistent ect. I ask you, where are the examples to follow those statements?
Tuvix that been beaten to death... So she is a monster who uses one-liners! OMG the Bitch ROLLED HER EYES and quoted Jonah and the whale!!!!!! Picard NEVER did that!

Perhaps inconsistency is human. Everyday was a challenge and each situation needed to be looked at with a fresh perspective. After all Voyager was ALONE constantly facing death and destruction with no one to call and no back up it was a concept new to ST. The weight of commanding an entire ship everyone has an opinion on how they would have done it better…

However, Janeway was consistent. Consistently flexible. Consistently right. Consistently knowledgeable. Consistently alert. Consistently exploring. Consistently strong. Consistently trying to get home. Consistently having to make life changing decisions. Consistently drinking her coffee BLACK. Consistently changing her hair-do. Consistently doing that thing with her pointer finger when she is plotting. Consistently ignoring the love she had for her first officer. Consistently looking at his rear errrrrr..... Consistently HOT
Let us go on feel free to add to her consistencies... and inconsistencies for all you haters.
Go ahead let it all out… tell me. I want examples.

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Please don’t waist time complaining about my grammar either it just lame

 

[Udat]

Finds a good chair, switches coffee on......

 

[Galekarens]

Why encourage the bashers? They've ventured their opinions plenty! (Just wondering.)

 

[Brit]

I read a wonderful quote from Jacqueline Lichtenberg (yes that one, the author of "Star Trek Lives," the creator of the Simi/Gen universe, and one of Trek's original "Big Name Fans.")

Janeway was a very hard character to sell to the audiences at that time, so they kept trying to "remake" her, but the casting was so perfect, each of the Janeway remakes was played perfectly, and the result was a PERSON more than a CHARACTER -- real people "remake" themselves under stress just like that.

She posted that on the "Bring Back Janeway" face book group 3/24/2010, of course I also think that the producers' targeted audience was all wrong, she had a lot more appeal to people that were not teenage boys.

Brit

 

[froot]

I read a wonderful quote from Jacqueline Lichtenberg (yes that one, the author of "Star Trek Lives," the creator of the Simi/Gen universe, and one of Trek's original "Big Name Fans.")

Janeway was a very hard character to sell to the audiences at that time, so they kept trying to "remake" her, but the casting was so perfect, each of the Janeway remakes was played perfectly, and the result was a PERSON more than a CHARACTER -- real people "remake" themselves under stress just like that.

She posted that on the "Bring Back Janeway" face book group 3/24/2010, of course I also think that the producers' targeted audience was all wrong, she had a lot more appeal to people that were not teenage boys.

Brit

I agree with this quote. I think Janeway's one major problem with me was that I wish she had stated verbally at least once how the journey had changed her outlook. It would have put everything into focus.

Does um, does that fit in this thread?

 

[KimMH]

A Janeway bashing thread? Really? Puhleeeeze.

I've been going through season one and am remembering all over again why I loved the series and I loved Janeway.

I'd like to add that though I like to poke at the bun 'o steel and prefer the ponytail o' authority.

 

[iguana_tonante]

I have some qualms about the way she was written, but Kate Mulgrew was generally excellent in her portrayal. That said, I'm neither a basher or a gusher: to me, she's mostly an "ok" character. If we want to point fingers to Voyager's weak points, the character of Janeway was not among them.

 

[Brit]

Does um, does that fit in this thread?

I don't really know, except it's a great quote and I've wanted to put it somewhere here and this seemed as good a place as any. It does fit kind of with any analysis of Janeway's personality.

Brit

 

[vas2009]

Why encourage the bashers? They've ventured their opinions plenty! (Just wondering.)

Why?
I really want to know. Honestly all the crap people say they never give examples. She sux because she is mean... well how was she mean? She let Tuvix die. She was poorly written... How? She's larger then life. Why is that bad? No bashing unless you explain yourself then it becomes a discussion.

Brit's quote was perfect because it is an explanation to one of the complaints I often hear about Janeway, she's inconsistent (goes along with my rant). Real people "remake" themselves.

When the Janeway bashing starts it often takes away from the topic being discussed. Here it is the topic!!

 

[SRFX]

I'm going to have to watch the entire series from the beginning to do this thread justice.

Although, on reflection, beyond inconsistencies, I think my major problem with Janeway is that her determinations and decisions are often at odds with what I think is the right decision.

This is something that I have found has changed over the various series as I find myself never disagreeing with Picard, occasionally disagreeing with Sisko (his dealings with the Maquis), and Archer about half the time (Dear Doctor + a few other episodes I can't remember specifically at this point).

However with Janeway, I find myself disagreeing with her on a regular basis and coupled with all the story and characterisation issues this show suffers from on a regular basis (often culminating in Janeway's character), is probably why she grates against me more often than other captains (maybe Archer would have been the same if ENT had run for seven seasons).

But, I am going to possibly resolve to try and watch through all of Voyager very soon and try and make a determination on this, and provide examples to prove/disprove my opinions.

 

[Galekarens]

It would be nice to have an anti KJ-bashing thread, with no bashing aloud, lol! Cheers!

 

[Ensign Johnson]

People dislike her for rolling her eyes? Odd I've always liked characters rolling their eyes at something, makes me feel like they are thinking the same thing as me. Can't think of a Janeway example but I remember Seven rolling her eyes at Kim in Nightingale, he was so annoying in that episode.

I don't have a bad word to say about Janeway. But I do wonder if I'd like her as much if Kate Mulgrew hadn't got the part (my main problem with Sisko is the acting).

@Brit I love the quote, Janeway is more a person than a character.

 

[froot]

Does um, does that fit in this thread?

I don't really know, except it's a great quote and I've wanted to put it somewhere here and this seemed as good a place as any. It does fit kind of with any analysis of Janeway's personality.

Brit

Oh, I meant I was wondering if what I said fit into this thread. Not your quote. Your quote was fantastic.

And folks, the first post was clearly dripping with sarcasm. Most of the threads here devolve into "*&%*@^%#@ Janeway #*&(*$@$@ SHE SMELLS FUNNY" so I think this was a thread for people to air it all out.

Although, I consider us lucky. In other places on the BBS, threads devolve into "WTF THE NEW MOVIE SMELLS FUNNY #(*&#%*(#%&" so maybe we're actually better off here, I dunno.

 

[vas2009]

^^^ thank you

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

OMG the Bitch ROLLED HER EYES and quoted Jonah and the whale!!!!!! Picard NEVER did that!

No, just Ahab and a whale..

Neither of which beats Archer's gazelle story for sheer dumbchilling-ness

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think I am insulted?

 

[sevenstars]

Janeway was consistent. Consistently flexible. Consistently right. Consistently knowledgeable. Consistently alert. Consistently exploring. Consistently strong. Consistently trying to get home. Consistently having to make life changing decisions.

What a nice tribute. Sometimes consistency is confused with rigidity, or with lack of complexity.

 

[Deckerd]

(my main problem with Sisko is the acting).

My sainted aunt! I thought I was the only person in trekverse who thought he was miscast.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I agree with this quote. I think Janeway's one major problem with me was that I wish she had stated verbally at least once how the journey had changed her outlook. It would have put everything into focus.

In a way, she did say that when she told Chakotay about Starfleet's concern about her "Maquis" problem. She told him she didn't think of him etc as Maquis, but rather as her crew. Together they decided how to respond to Starfleet's "concerns".

In season 1, and even in season 2, she still held the Maquis XO at arms length (pun intended), going to Tuvok when she suspected the Maquis may be responsible for some problem (Jonas the traitor). After 6 years of working together and all those dinners in her quarters, she evolved beyond that narrow viewpoint and admitted such.

I've long maintained that her "inconsistencies" were more "changed views" than poor writing. I recall when a friend was aghast that her dad, a life long democrat, actually voted for the republican Reagan for president. She couldn't understand how he could change "so much". But people do, all the time. That's what makes life so interesting!

The other problem with comparing Janeway to Picard, is that Janeway was what, 36 when she assumed command of Voyager? While Picard was a decade older when he took over Enterprise. He'd been Captain much longer, and settled in his ways. Her youth made her more pliable in some ways, and more by the book in others.

Recall that wonderful Captain's log that started (?) "The Cloud" where she was wondering how best to interact with the crew, and how she didn't feel "larger than life".

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

It's a wonderful little tidbit into what she's thinking at that time...

Personal Log, Stardate 48546.2. Our journey home is several weeks old now, and I have begun to notice in my crew and in myself, a subtle change as the reality of our situation settles in. Here in the Delta Quadrant, we are virtually the entire family of man. We are more than a crew and I must find a way to be more than a captain to these people, but it's not clear to me exactly how to begin. At the Academy, we are taught that a captain is expected to maintain a certain distance. Until now, I've always been comfortable with that distance. Maybe this is just the way it works. Maybe the distance is necessary. Maybe more than ever now, they need me to be larger than life. I only wish I felt larger than life. *pause* Computer, delete last sentence.