The sets did look great and very fitting for an Earth-built ship of that time.
The United Earth starship Enterprise NX-01
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Engineering bothered me. In the classic movies, engineers wore heavy radiation suits when standing near the intermix chamber (and we saw what happened to an unsuited Spock when he went "hands on"). I didn't like that, a century earlier, they could get away with crawling all over the reactor in their regular overalls and not have their dicks drop off.
I get that it's really for budgetary and story expediency reasons, but it still annoyed me.
I get that it's really for budgetary and story expediency reasons, but it still annoyed me.
Yes, armory was a great set. Of course a redress of a cargo bay but very cool and while not showing definitely implying a lot of manual and mechanical workings.
I ever imagined the transporter alcove just as a small and rarely used part of an "arrival area" on board. The transporter is on the same corridor as the decon chamber which is also close to the regularly used hangar deck. So I thought the position of the transporter alcove close to the decon chamber was a requirement due to the permission for bio-transport.
In TOS, Scotty and the other engineers just wore normal uniform.
We could argue they did so in the TOS movies, too - except when going deeper into the bowels of the machinery than usually necessary, such as when showing a bunch of trainees the ropes up close, or breaking in all-new engines.
NX-01 just didn't have such deep bowels yet, being "shallower" in many ways...
Timo Saloniemi
NX-01 just didn't have such deep bowels yet, being "shallower" in many ways...
Timo Saloniemi
Much would depend on the timetable. Did they build the transporter first, and then bio-approve it? If the other way around, why is it on the wrong side of the decon door?
OTOH, if the designers intended a cargo application, what sort of cargo would have been moved? The dedicated cargo platforms we see in the other spinoffs are generally large, and capable of handling objects larger than a man, but nevertheless are shown chiefly moving man-sized barreld and boxes. Perhaps it was always all about percious spares rather than bulk, and the logistics at the starship end didn't require much from the shelves or doorways.
Timo Saloniemi
Yeah, but in TOS they were separated from the actual glowy-throbby engine machinery which was on the other side of that red grate. In ENT they're actually in the room with the reactor which has a front which glows like the intermix chamber in TMP does
Some people are still very touchy on that subject, but yes, yes it is the Akira-Class.It IS the Akira class.
And thank God it was, not my favorite, but a nice design.It IS the Akira class.
Yes, but the reactors were in the nacelles at this point in time. (Swirly glowy nacelle endcaps)
It wasn't until they moved that swirly glowy stuff inside the ship in the TMP refit that they needed radiation suits.
Movie era ships have a remarkable lack of glowy nacelle ends. It's in TNG and onward that glowy nacelle ends come back. But they look different than the original Enterprise nacelle caps AND now they're called Bussard collectors.
The original rational for having the nacelles out there on struts was to keep that enormous power away form the crew. The glowy nacelle endcaps visually represented this power. We have the engineering crew walking around in their regular uniforms. Then once we get into the TMP refit we get three changes; first, there is now a glowing intermix shaft inside the ship; second, the engineering crew now have to wear radiation suits. This seems highly indicative that something dangerous is not inside the ship that wasn't before. And third, at this same time the glowing nacelle caps are gone. If these things were Bussards then shouldn't they still be there? Did the new refit suddenly not need Bussards? Or did the Bussards get moved? If so, where to? This coupled with the fact that there are no glowy red bits on the endcaps of ANY Movie Era Starfleet ship indicates that Bussards weren't even a thing at this point.
The Enterprise-C is probably the first example of post Movie Era ship with glowy endcaps. So, either Starfleet had Bussards then chose to operate for seventy years with without them, and then reintegrate them again; or Bussards were a post movie era addition to nacelle design.
The final nail in the coffin is the Pheonix. What the hell does an extremely short range, experimental prototype need Bussard collectors for? None. No reason at all. It's just extra weight that the ship needs to slug around. So we know that the glowy endcaps on the Phoenix's nacelles cannot be Bussard collectors.
What this means is that from 2063 - 2270s the nacelle endcaps served a function other than Bussards and based on ST dialogue and TMP we can deduce that the endcaps had something to do with the M/AM reaction/intermix. With the reaction/intermix now inside the ships there was no more need of glowy nacelle endcaps; matching exactly what we saw. Then seventy years later in the 2340s-ish and onward Bussards were added onto the end of warp nacelles in form of glowy red blobs of various shapes and sizes.
This means that if the NX-01 had a reactor inside the ship, it should not have had glowy red nacelle endcaps, and the crew should have probably been wearing some form of radiation protection considering how less advanced the ship is than the TMP era Enterprise. But if the ship does have red endcaps then the reaction should have taken place out there and there would be no reactor inside. This inconsistency with what has already been established on screen is yet another reason why Enterprise can be freely dismissed.
The original rational for having the nacelles out there on struts was to keep that enormous power away form the crew. The glowy nacelle endcaps visually represented this power. We have the engineering crew walking around in their regular uniforms. Then once we get into the TMP refit we get three changes; first, there is now a glowing intermix shaft inside the ship; second, the engineering crew now have to wear radiation suits. This seems highly indicative that something dangerous is not inside the ship that wasn't before. And third, at this same time the glowing nacelle caps are gone. If these things were Bussards then shouldn't they still be there? Did the new refit suddenly not need Bussards? Or did the Bussards get moved? If so, where to? This coupled with the fact that there are no glowy red bits on the endcaps of ANY Movie Era Starfleet ship indicates that Bussards weren't even a thing at this point.
The Enterprise-C is probably the first example of post Movie Era ship with glowy endcaps. So, either Starfleet had Bussards then chose to operate for seventy years with without them, and then reintegrate them again; or Bussards were a post movie era addition to nacelle design.
The final nail in the coffin is the Pheonix. What the hell does an extremely short range, experimental prototype need Bussard collectors for? None. No reason at all. It's just extra weight that the ship needs to slug around. So we know that the glowy endcaps on the Phoenix's nacelles cannot be Bussard collectors.
What this means is that from 2063 - 2270s the nacelle endcaps served a function other than Bussards and based on ST dialogue and TMP we can deduce that the endcaps had something to do with the M/AM reaction/intermix. With the reaction/intermix now inside the ships there was no more need of glowy nacelle endcaps; matching exactly what we saw. Then seventy years later in the 2340s-ish and onward Bussards were added onto the end of warp nacelles in form of glowy red blobs of various shapes and sizes.
This means that if the NX-01 had a reactor inside the ship, it should not have had glowy red nacelle endcaps, and the crew should have probably been wearing some form of radiation protection considering how less advanced the ship is than the TMP era Enterprise. But if the ship does have red endcaps then the reaction should have taken place out there and there would be no reactor inside. This inconsistency with what has already been established on screen is yet another reason why Enterprise can be freely dismissed.
It really, really isn't. It's similar, but one had downy, blocky nacelles and a beer belly, and the other has uppy, slim circular nacelles and is trim.
The ENT era engineering personel weren't aware of all the different types of radiation that the M/AM reactors produced at high power levels while traveling through subspace at higher warp speeds, the various kinds of radiation didn't all registered on radiation detectors of the time.
They thought they were safe in regular clothing.
They learned the hard way that they needed to protect themselves better.
We all know how Akira-ish the NX looks, and even I wish it didn't, but even this kind of resemblance is easily explainable.
For instance, the "out of universe" explanation was that the set designers were told to make the NX look like the Akira. Perhaps IN-universe, it's the other way around, and the Akira was designed as a throwback/tribute to the NX?
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