The Ultimate Poll: JJ Vs. Bay
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number6
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I was a summer blockbuster. It was in the theatres longer than most summer movies. The DVD/Blu-Rays enjoyed healthy sales. It was enjoyed by fan and non fan alike. The critics around these parts like to redefine the argument as they go, because they can't accept the film's success, because it would therefore legitimize it as such and they aren't ready or willing to concede that.
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Read this article, and then tell me that anyone on this board, in the blogosphere, or anywhere outside of the studio's accounting department can accurately assess how much money a film earns (or costs) the studio.
That is just sad. Having taxpayers foot the bill for summer blockbusters.
How about "I like the film, it was financially successful, I didn't think it was an outstanding film nor the best star trek film, it reminds me more of the original Star Wars than other Trek films"?
It also has in common that it's essentially a hero action adventure story as opposed to other trek films such as TMP, TWoK, TSFS, TVH, TFF, TUC, Generations, Insurrection.
And how could you disagree that warp in Trek 2009 looked like hyperdrive in Star Wars?
I think that saying that the way ships warp and how they jump to hyperspace is a ridiculous basis for an argument, but I will say that both SW and Trek XI both kind of follow the monomyth guidelines, but that's about the only similarity between them. In which case, Trek's really not like SW, it's just another variation on said monomyth.
Actual nonsense.
number6
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I just don't see how Trek 2009 is more comparable to The Motion Picture over Star Wars in terms of the type of movie and story it tells.
Trek 2009 and Star Wars didn't leave me thinking after the movie. It was just a cheer fest for the heroes to win and defeat the evil bad guys (not that there is anything wrong with that, after all i liked both films).
The Motion Picture was more creative with the twist ending that left a lot to think about and discuss. It hit on concepts of "why am I here, who created me" in a very different way.
The Force and Red Matter or the way Black holes work are all magical in Star Wars and Trek 2009. Now you can say they are as equally unbelievable as what happens in TMP, but TMP is not implausible, whereas concepts in Star Wars and Trek 2009 are implausible.
Trek 2009 and Star Wars didn't leave me thinking after the movie. It was just a cheer fest for the heroes to win and defeat the evil bad guys (not that there is anything wrong with that, after all i liked both films).
The Motion Picture was more creative with the twist ending that left a lot to think about and discuss. It hit on concepts of "why am I here, who created me" in a very different way.
The Force and Red Matter or the way Black holes work are all magical in Star Wars and Trek 2009. Now you can say they are as equally unbelievable as what happens in TMP, but TMP is not implausible, whereas concepts in Star Wars and Trek 2009 are implausible.
I'm gonna have to be real honest here, and I hate to break it to ya, but they're both pretty much equally implausible. There are some pretty long odds on any of our long range probes making it to machine planets and becoming living machines sucking up everything they come across in an effort to join with "God".
number6
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I'm not comparing Trek 09 to TMP. You are.
TMP was a bad film. It had a weak TV pilot script which was padded with endless and expensive SFX sequences. It was stiff compared to the other films because it didn't allow the characters to be who they were in the series, or even in later films.
There has never been a black hole sequence in Star Wars, and unless you've been through one recently, I don't think you can be the arbiter of how they work.
Trek 09 tells an origin story in an alternate timeline, yet we still see the characters as who they could have been 15 or so years before the events of TOS. The themes of friendship and loyalty and duty are similar to how it was fleshed out in the series.
Did SW influence this film?? Sure it did.. as much as TOS influenced SW in 1977.
The big difference is that this is a Star Trek film, true to the ideals and characters of the original series.
TMP was a bad film. It had a weak TV pilot script which was padded with endless and expensive SFX sequences. It was stiff compared to the other films because it didn't allow the characters to be who they were in the series, or even in later films.
There has never been a black hole sequence in Star Wars, and unless you've been through one recently, I don't think you can be the arbiter of how they work.
Trek 09 tells an origin story in an alternate timeline, yet we still see the characters as who they could have been 15 or so years before the events of TOS. The themes of friendship and loyalty and duty are similar to how it was fleshed out in the series.
Did SW influence this film?? Sure it did.. as much as TOS influenced SW in 1977.
The big difference is that this is a Star Trek film, true to the ideals and characters of the original series.
I know what you are saying.
Here's my last effort to explain how I view Trek 2009 more similarly to Star Wars than other Trek movies.
Trek 2009 and Star Wars are both action adventure hero romps. The story and background of the villains don't even matter. The only real theme in Star Wars is good verse bad and it's the same in Trek 2009.
Other Trek movies have more to the story behind them. TMP, TVH both very conceptual. TWoK was revenge and aging. TUC was political and moving from past difference into a better future. Generations was conceptual regarding the Nexus. First Contact was about revenge. Insurrection was about people's rights and forced movement. Nemesis touched on cloning and the differences environments make in determining how a person develops.
Trek 2009 was about the good guys blowing up the Narada. Star Wars was about the good guys blowing up the Death Star. Both were about the hero fulfilling one's destiny. I gave the example of Warp/Hyperspace because someone said NOTHING is comparable other than space stories. Just another example along that same line, each story has a character's home world destroyed in front of his/her eyes. Is that example not more comparable to Star Wars than other Trek films?
What deeper messages?
