The Ultimate Poll: JJ Vs. Bay

[Alex1939]

Yeah, 20+ years ago when TNG first came out. Since then it's devolved into "If we can depolarize the main deflector array with a phased graviton pulse, it might trigger a cascade reaction in the subspace aperture that will allow us to escape!"

That's a good point.

The only difference is Star Wars never bothered to do that, while Star Trek spent ENTIRE EPISODES trying to explain how warp drive worked.

To me, that's a major difference between the two franchises.

No doubt, which is why STXI and TMP are still oscillating back and forth in my "favorite trek movie of all time" slot. It's basically a tie: STXI has my favorite ACTION Trek while TMP has my favorite ADVENTURE trek. If the next film is anything like TMP, I will be a happy man.

Yeah I'd like to see them pull off something similar to TMP. This crew (actors) pulled off fast paced action really well though, so I expect they'll stick with that style. I just hope a little more thought put into the plot and story.

How does that follow, when Han Solo was mainly introduced as an ANTI-hero who only does the right thing because he's trying to pay off a loan shark?

I just get the hero vibe from every main character in Star Wars. When watching ToS, the main characters outside of Kirk and Spock don't give me that vibe.

To compare it to nuBSG, they remind me of the Callie and Duck and Racetrack type characters.

I don't know if that makes sense but I'm have a hard time figuring out how to explain it differently.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Star Trek is intellectual when you compare it to Star Wars.

MOST things are intellectual when compared to Star Wars.

ST09 really wasn't.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Star Trek is intellectual when you compare it to Star Wars.

MOST things are intellectual when compared to Star Wars.

ST09 really wasn't.

Let's compare it to just one Star Wars film. Was it more intellectual than RotJ?

Yes, yes it was.

 

[M'Sharak]

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In Star Wars they had droids... today we have ASIMO.

And in the prequel wars they had entire armies of droid fighters; today we have TALON-SWORDS and the MQ-9 Reaper.

And the space station's cupola?

http://www.andrewchaikin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Robinson-ISS-cupola-blog.jpg

CLEARLY derived from a tie fighter's cockpit!

[Also just as clearly hotlinked, and now converted to a link. Please be sure images posted inline are hosted on your own web space. - M']

[...]

newtype_alpha, please don't hotlink images from web space which is not yours. Not kosher, that.

 

[Ryan8bit]

MOST things are intellectual when compared to Star Wars.

ST09 really wasn't.

Let's compare it to just one Star Wars film. Was it more intellectual than RotJ?

Yes, yes it was.

In what way?

 

[JarodRussell]

Yeah, 20+ years ago when TNG first came out. Since then it's devolved into "If we can depolarize the main deflector array with a phased graviton pulse, it might trigger a cascade reaction in the subspace aperture that will allow us to escape!"

That's a good point.

It's not, because it's not true. It's biased cliché.

MOST things are intellectual when compared to Star Wars.

ST09 really wasn't.

Let's compare it to just one Star Wars film. Was it more intellectual than RotJ?

Yes, yes it was.

Not in my eyes. Phantom Menace maybe.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Yeah, 20+ years ago when TNG first came out. Since then it's devolved into "If we can depolarize the main deflector array with a phased graviton pulse, it might trigger a cascade reaction in the subspace aperture that will allow us to escape!"

That's a good point.

It's not, because it's not true. It's biased cliché.

Excessive overuse of a trope is what defines a cliche. Voyager is the worst perpetrator by far, but TNG is riddled with examples starting around mid Season 5.

 

[Satyrquaze]

ST09 really wasn't.

Let's compare it to just one Star Wars film. Was it more intellectual than RotJ?

Yes, yes it was.

Not in my eyes. Phantom Menace maybe.

That is indeed, an opinion. I feel personally that TPM wasn't the worst of the prequels.

I mean the Ewoks trump any argument you'll make that says that Star Trek was less intellectual than RotJ.

But we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Ryan8bit]

I don't think ST09 was any less intellectual than RotJ. They're just the same in that after you see them, there is really no extensive thought process beyond what was cool and fun. Just because Ewoks are kinda silly doesn't really change how intellectual the film is.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's certainly not less intellectual than previous Star Trek movies. Less talky perhaps.

 

[Ryan8bit]

It's certainly not less intellectual than previous Star Trek movies. Less talky perhaps.

I don't know, while there are those that are definitely less intellectual like Nemesis (despite it trying to make an intellectual point and failing), I think there are those that made some sort of point worth thinking about even if it was heavy handed.

Like, I'm not really a big fan of Insurrection for many reasons, and it had its fair share of silliness as well. But I feel like it was an honest attempt at making people think about the concept, even though it was hardly an original idea.

On the other hand, First Contact, a fairly action-packed movie, at least has a theme on revenge and desire and the struggles of the characters to try and resist them.

 

[Satyrquaze]

In either case, this thread is just the OP taking yet another shot at Star trek (2009).

 

[Ryan8bit]

Well yeah. I was just trying to do a tasteful derail into something with a touch more substance and a lot less hate. Sorry!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

In either case, this thread is just the OP taking yet another shot at Star trek (2009).

Well, they're going to have a very long time to actually try to get good at taking shots at nuTrek.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Well yeah. I was just trying to do a tasteful derail into something with a touch more substance and a lot less hate. Sorry!

Sorry, my vitrol was directed at the OP, not you.

 

[number6]

I don't think ST09 was any less intellectual than RotJ. They're just the same in that after you see them, there is really no extensive thought process beyond what was cool and fun. Just because Ewoks are kinda silly doesn't really change how intellectual the film is.

Nyub-nyub.

 

[Satyrquaze]

^ I would point out that trained soliders with ultra-modern weaponry and tech losing to teddy bears with spears is a bit insulting to the intelligence.

 

[number6]

^ I would point out that trained soliders with ultra-modern weaponry and tech losing to teddy bears with spears is a bit insulting to the intelligence.

It's called "irony."

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^ I would point out that trained soliders with ultra-modern weaponry and tech losing to teddy bears with spears is a bit insulting to the intelligence.

It's called "irony."

Plus they really lost becuase they were Storm Troopers (who lets face it can't hit the broad side of a barn) and they used walkers in a forest area where YOU CAN TRIP THEM AND BLOW THEM UP.

 

[Satyrquaze]

See? Insulting.