"The Ultimate Computer" Remastered -- Preview? Pix?

[Skippy 2k]

The second port is there its just harder to tell, maybe the angle of whatever is inside it doesn't show the light.

 

[Trevacious]

Timo said:Which of course begs the question of why he doesn't just wait until Kirk docks and then walk over.

If we had transporters everywhere, I wonder how many people would get up and walk over to a friend's house when they could just beam from one couch to another.

"Get off my viewscreen and beam your ass over here, Now..."

 

[Candlelight]

This is gonna rock. This might be the only one I download.

Can't wait for the DVD sets to come over here.

 

[shipfisher]

So the Antares loses its forward section to takeover Woden duties from the DY-100. Certainly an improvement, but it leaves me wondering if the CBS crew will go for the hat trick and revamp this thing as the SS Aurora for "The Way To Eden" re-master. Anything would be better than that nacked up tholian joke - the first kitbash if I'm not mistaken (nothing to be proud of).

 

[Ronald Held]

Good news for the registry numbers, and the variants on the starships.

 

[Timo]

Oh, I passionately hate those numbers. They make little sense in the context of "Court Martial", and it just feels wrong to have a Constitution fly out with an obscenely low 1600-range registry on her hull.

Nice to get at least some variation between the ships. I think different paint jobs would have been a plus, though.

..it leaves me wondering if the CBS crew will go for the hat trick and revamp this thing as the SS Aurora

It would stretch credibility a bit for the same design to be

a) an old ore carrier
b) a contemporary transport that does some planetary survey as a side job
c) an automated version of said old ore carrier
d) some sort of a small yacht that a bunch of kids can hijack

I'm sort of happy with a) through c), although as said, reuse of an ENT design would have made more sense there. But I do hope the Aurora will be some sort of a sleek arrowhead that superficially resembles the Tholian kitbash but in closeup is clearly distinct.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Hambone]

Timo said:
Oh, I passionately hate those numbers.

Passionately? Passionately? You need to get some better "passions".

Timo said:
...it just feels wrong to have a Constitution fly out with an obscenely low 1600-range registry on her hull.

Why? The USS Republic was NCC-1371. Kirk called it a "starship" and during TOS, "starship" meant "Constitution class". This was supported in the dialogue of many, many episodes.

 

[Harry]

.... unless you asked Jefferies, who clearly thought out some (mostly unused) system of registry numbers.

The registry numbers used by Okuda were magically conjured up by Greg Jein using the chart in "Court Martial" while on an LSD trip (or something). They make no sense, and fandom (Franz Joseph and all that came later) did a pretty good job at making up a better number scheme. I'll just keep pretending Jein's numbers don't exist.

Here are more bits from the TrekMovie interview with Okuda & Co. (here[/url).

TREKMOVIE.COM: In the scenes showing the four ships, did you consider using different ship types instead of just using Constitution-class ships?
DAVE: We sure did. This was the only time in the entire series that we saw anything like fleet maneuvers, and our first thought was to use this episode to show that there’s more to Starfleet than just the Enterprise.
DENISE: We talked about this at length. Mike and Dave were excited about coming up with new ships, but eventually we all decided that it was best to honor the expectations of fans who had grown up seeing four Constitution-class ships.
MIKE: One of the ideas we considered was to have a Reliant-type configuration for a couple of the guest ships. The problem with a smaller ship is that you don’t want the sense that the Enterprise is more powerful, because that would hurt the drama of the story. Ultimately, keeping all four ships the same emphasizes that the only variable is that the Enterprise is piloted by the M5 computer.
DENISE: We did make some really, really subtle changes in the other ships. At least, they were really subtle to me. I’m sure some fans will pick up on them.

It would've been very suitable to change the 16xx registry ship to some Miranda-ish class. But I agree with them that it is a pretty drastic change over the original episode.

DAVE: The cargo ship Woden is now based on the automated grain ships in the animated episode, “More Tribbles, More Troubles.” You may recall that we saw the Antares in the first shot of “Charlie X,” which was based on the same design, although we added a crew module for that one.

So the Woden is going to be the Antares sans crew pod, meaning she's a regular TAS "Sherman" class.

Also, I still can't believe they're using a fan design for that Starbase. Nice one!

 

[137th Gebirg]

Hambone said:

Timo said:
Oh, I passionately hate those numbers.

Passionately? Passionately? You need to get some better "passions".

Timo said:
...it just feels wrong to have a Constitution fly out with an obscenely low 1600-range registry on her hull.

Why? The USS Republic was NCC-1371. Kirk called it a "starship" and during TOS, "starship" meant "Constitution class". This was supported in the dialogue of many, many episodes.

And lest we forget - USS Constellation with the ABSURDLY low NCC-1017. The 1600's don't seem so bad to me after that one!

 

[Spike730]

And let's not forget the USS Intrepid NCC-1631 even though the wall chart reads NCC-1831.

TOS-R would've been a perfect opportunity to finally fix the Constitution-registries. Why they didn't use it I don't know, but as far as I'm concerned I'll never accept them as part of my personal canon. Well, maybe the ones in the 17xx-range.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

cooleddie74 said:
At least the Remastering team is adhering to the established registry numbers for the other starships as listed in the published books and manuals. They turned out to be canonical numbers after all.

TOS-R establishes no canon with respect to the original, only itself. Its elements may be carried forward in future productions, but it does not speak to the original.

Besides, two different registry numbers for Lexington have appeared in published books and manuals. Why accept 1709 over 1703? Because it was on Jein's BS list? A drunk gypsy with a Ouija board could come up with a more rational list than that mess. A human-dominated organization alphabetizes from bottom to top on one ship chart when every other document we see from Star Fleet is in standard English? Pull the other two.

That said, these images are very nice.

 

[Masao]

Harry said:
Also, I still can't believe they're using a fan design for that Starbase. Nice one!

Well, although I'm a fan, it's not as if Mike Okuda was trawling the internet and scooped up my design! I'm semi-pro, I guess, but Vanguard station is a licensed design.

By the way, Harry, you might have already read that Roberto Orci (I think) mentioned in one of his chats over at Trekmovie.com that he thought Memory Alpha should be credited. Congrats on that!:

Charles Trotter: I am a contributor and administrator at Memory Alpha (http://www.memory-alpha.org/). Did you guys use Memory Alpha when researching for the movie? And if so, can MA expect to receive a mention in the end credits?

Roberto Orci: We absolutely used Memory Alpha during the entire process, and still reference it occasionally during production. It was great to be able to refer the less educated members of the team to your great site. THANK YOU! Will see what I can do about credits. Not a bad idea at all.

( http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/28/more-fan-qa-with-roberto-orci/ )

 

[SeerSGB]

MIKE: One of the ideas we considered was to have a Reliant-type configuration for a couple of the guest ships. The problem with a smaller ship is that you don’t want the sense that the Enterprise is more powerful, because that would hurt the drama of the story.

A TOS Reliant-type? They could have swapped out on the Connies and still kept the drama of the story. Actually it would have made a little more sense: Starfleet throwing a curve-ball to the machine to see if it could handle different types of ships at the same time.

 

[Harry]

Yeah, I know all about MA, I've had some e-mail contact with them before that interview .

I know it's a licensed design (together with the Archer class and maybe more), but still.. it has that distinctive "Starfleet Museum" look .

 

[Masao]

Harry said:
Yeah, I know all about MA, I've had some e-mail contact with them before that interview .

Tell us more!!

 

[Forbin]

Lieut. Arex said:Pull the other two.

I get it!

 

[cooleddie74]

Turns out the Woden was turned into an Antares-style ship with stubby warp nacelles and a blocky primary section. Not bad, but I was hoping for something more original or different.

 

[TigerOfDarkness]

I haven't seen the new version, but the re-use of designs seems a good idea to me, especially as the Woden is said to be an old ship. There aren't many air-liner designs in existance today - maybe the Woden's design is the 747 of space-fraighters?

 

[cooleddie74]

And I suppose it was a lot easier to go and grab the CGI wire-frame model of the Antares from "Charlie X" than it was to create something new from scratch...or recreate something more akin to the old 22nd century freighters and cargo ships from ENTERPRISE.

 

[Forbin]

YouTube has the effects reel:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ToLrAz2TV9A

Meh.