The two changes I would make to Star Trek: Generations
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Er.... no. The whole point was that he secretly did. Watch it again. Picard felt that a life in starfleet and having a family were mutually exclusive and he'd made his choice.
The Duras have acquired a Neg'Var class battleship instead, the size and imposing presence of this is a worthy enemy for the Enterprise. Thus the attack looks like this:
This.... this I'm on board with.
The outdated bird of prey idea was pretty stupid... and I'm sure a bean counter somewhere at Paramount said, "too much budget! Let's recycle the Klingon ship exploding from STVI." Can you imagine? If they hadn't build Guinan's merry go round in the Nexus we might have had a worth opponent to knock down the mighty Enterprise D.I still enjoy the battle scene. But I can imagine Berman off screen grinning and rubbing his hands together... how brilliant to have the Enterprise destroyed by an obsolete Bird of Prey.
Great death for the Duras sisters, though. I suppose they must be in Sto Vo Kor.
I'm sorry, but what it Comes to ST Generations, there's only one change I'd have made... I wouldn't have made it at all.
That's not 'a model', that's THE 6 footer.
The other truth is that IMHO the 6 footer doesn't have the detail to show terribly well on screen. There wasn't a real 'beauty' shot introduction, for example; you barely see the ship from the front. I suspect that's part of the thinking around building the Enterprise-E.
The would certainly cause confusion upon watching First Contact.
What happened to the Enterprise-D?
What is the deal with Data's emotion chip?
Finally understanding Guinan's back story, etc why she has "special powers"
Was was James Kirk's ultimate fate?
Having said that, there's plenty of useless shit in Generations, too. Picard losing his family doesn't really seem that important to overall continuity - only serves as a device in the nexus.
The Nexus could have been way more interesting too.
Generations had to be made before the Next Gen crew could so anything in film. The pass-the-torch factor was key.
Probably should have clarified, that I wouldn't have made it, in the form it was written in.
As far as "passing the torch goes" it couldn't have been done in a worse way.
My take: NO "Generations," have "All Good Things" as the theatrical debut of the TNG cast. THAT was a GREAT TNG movie IMHO!
Then NO Borg Queen, no Berman as producer! That guy can't produce theatrical films to save his soul, but he's a good TV guy.
My wife is a huge TNG fan, too and even she said "Generations" was "shit" after we saw it first-run on our honeymoon.
Then NO Borg Queen, no Berman as producer! That guy can't produce theatrical films to save his soul, but he's a good TV guy.
My wife is a huge TNG fan, too and even she said "Generations" was "shit" after we saw it first-run on our honeymoon.
I've seen Generation several times, but have apparently missed the scene you're referring too.
Why does Guinan have special powers?
Hell, the only change I'd make is not destroying the Ent-D.
This!!!!!
Although I'd have some major damage done to the main bridge that way there could be some remodeling done for the next movie.
I've seen Generation several times, but have apparently missed the scene you're referring too.
Why does Guinan have special powers?
Agreed. This leaves me scratching my head as well. Sure she has had knowledge of and insight into the Nexus, but what does that have to do with whatever her mysterious powers are? Being rescued by the B isn't her first contact with humans. She was in 'The City' back in the day to play with Twain and meet Picard. So between then and Generations she encounters the Nexus, but what does that really add or change?
I think with Guinan its a species trait. The El-Aurians are described as a "race of listeners" perhaps this is a hint to their abilities. Its assumed that this "listening" thing is to do with how they are with people and their ability to empathise. I don't think this is the case.
I think what the "listening" actually is, is to do with them listening to time and space and the universe (but probably confined to a handful of lightyears and not everything!) around them. They have a strange ability to detect when things seem out of place or something is about to happen (Guinan in "Q Who" and "Yesterday's Enterprise") It may be more pronounced in some El-Aurians than it is in others.
I don't think Guinan's experiences with the Nexus can explain all of her mystique.
I think what the "listening" actually is, is to do with them listening to time and space and the universe (but probably confined to a handful of lightyears and not everything!) around them. They have a strange ability to detect when things seem out of place or something is about to happen (Guinan in "Q Who" and "Yesterday's Enterprise") It may be more pronounced in some El-Aurians than it is in others.
I don't think Guinan's experiences with the Nexus can explain all of her mystique.
This.
I'd change that "supposed" fans that were writers,directors, and producers whose the concept of what their Star Trek TNG movie SHOULD have been....
Agreed. Not all, but most of her mystique maybe.
I interpreted Guinan's future premonitions, ablility to sense changes in a timeline (Yesterday's Enterprise), ability to sense Q and even know who people were before they met them (can't remember which episode but it happened at least once) to be a long-running "mystery" in the series.
It was my belief that her brief contact with the nexus allowed her these abilities... she and Soran both as they were both El-Aurian and both "entered" the nexus briefly. Meaning Guinan must still be "inside" the nexus and able to communicate somehow with herself outside the nexus.
From Guinan's entry on Memory Alpha:
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Guinan
"Since Guinan's incident with the Nexus, where time has no meaning, she simultaneously exists there as well as in the "normal" universe although, as her Nexus self said, she can never enter the "normal" universe as there is already a version of her present there."
and another snippet here, albeit a leap into the expanded universe of lit:In the novel Engines of Destiny, a confrontation between an alternate Guinan and the Guardian of Forever reveals that the version of Guinan in the Nexus is the source of her constant 'feelings', as this version of herself exists outside all time, and can thus reach out to her other selves and provide valuable insight into possible actions that must be taken, although even she is ignorant of what the definitive outcome will be in the end.
Heard this before but I don't buy it. AGT had some interesting character moments, but the plot was nonsense, and suffered like most unsatisfying Trek episodes by ending with the entire story having not happened.
Generations had its faults, but at least the story went somewhere. AGT could have been picards bad trip for all we know.
Yeah it went down a road it shouldn't have gone down
Seriously, GEN was such as a screw up, even Rick Berman admitted that AGT was the superior effort. Nothing about GEN was on par with the feel of TNG and it was so uneccesary involving any elements from TOS. Kirk should not have been in that film and should not have been killed off. I've said in the past that I feel Kirk's status, as to whether he was dead or alive in the 24th century should have been kept ambiguous. Instead, the story of this generation should have focused on them throughout.
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