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The two changes I would make to Star Trek: Generations

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Nexus changes

  • Picard never wanted a family. It should have been him being back in France for Christmas with Rene his brother and sister in law.
  • Get rid of the "you can go anywhere, anytime line". It makes the captain of the flagship look like a moron he could have went back to 10 forward to lock Soren in the brig.


The attack sequence
This has always bothered me, the flagship is taken down by a 20 year old BOP mere minutes after they discussed how absurd an idea that was ON SCREEN :rolleyes:
"but but they had the shield frequency's"...the enterprise D also has, according to Memory Alpha:

  • 12 Phaser Banks
  • 3 Torpedo Launchers with a stockpile of 250 photon torpedo s.


It can also reach warp 9.9, the highest a BOP has gone on screen was 9.8 and that was a modern one.

So the Enterprise can outrun and outgun the BOP, even with no shields, but Riker, a guy Starfleet offered the captains chair to three times and Worf, who hated the Duras instead:

1. Waffle on and on about plasma coils while the ship is hit again and again and again the warp core or weapons systems could have been disabled or destroyed while they were rambling on about plasma coils.

2. Fire ONE phaser burst

3. Fire torpedos only after they are sure the BOPs shields are down, we've never seen that before in a battle, with 250 torpedos against a 20 year old BOP they would have easily been able to punch through the shields.


I think, since the point was to end the enterprise D, thus the ship had to be destroyed anyway, it was an insult to the ship to be destroyed by a BOP even if the BOP had some way of taking out the weapons with the data they got from the Visor spycam.

Why? Because this ship has gone up against Borg ships (capable of destroying planets) and survived with barely a scratch.


So I propose the following changes:

The Duras have acquired a Neg'Var class battleship instead, the size and imposing presence of this is a worthy enemy for the Enterprise. Thus the attack looks like this:

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The second Worf says "they have found a way to penetrate our shields" and instead of waffling about plasma coils and hitting them with one phaser burst Riker says "lock all weapons and return fire" :

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The two ships get into a pitched battle, an actual battle with a lot of NEW scenes of ducking and diving and shooting (we never see the enterprise really maneuver in the show), nobody is jumping up ripping the walls apart playing with the bridges insides, no stunt men are melodramatically diving across the entire bridge. No battle footage from the very last movie (that was absolutely unforgivable laziness) is reused. Eventually they destroy the battleship.

Theres no "coolant leak" :rolleyes: the antimatter containment fields are so badly damaged their backup batteries engage but will only be able to hold it for around five minutes, barely enough time to evacuate the ship.
Just as a little touch which I thought would have been smart (in universe) Riker orders anyone from the stardrive section who can get to escape pods to get in there and launch instead of trying to make it all the way to the saucer, given the time period, and it shows people going to transporter rooms in the caos shots to be beamed to the saucer (we've seen this as an evacuation protocol on the show before)

Crusher does not leave sickbay (which is on the saucer...)




I also have one other gripe but many of you may see it as a ripoff of the end of STIV but I think it would have been more of a homage....and it may be a little fanwankish but I think it could be polished up to make it work.

I felt the E was introduced very flippantly (and shown first time at a really bad angle as well). Either at the start of FC or the end of Generations we should have seen the crew getting a look at it for the first time.
Maybe a throwaway line at the end of Generations that an existing new class of ship currently being built will be renamed the enterprise E and at the end of the movie you see the crew coming back on the rescue ship, passing it under construction in the spacedock in orbit.
 
Picard never wanted a family. It should have been him being back in France for Christmas with Rene his brother and sister in law.

But it was fresh in his mind that time was passing and that he was the last of the Picards, especially shortly after thinking that he had a long-lost son. It made sense that, as a result, he would fantasize about having a family at that point in time.
 
Before I dissect your post, I just have to say that you have significantly more changes here than "two." It reminds me of the Rodney Dangerfield movie "Back to School," where a stuck-up professor tells Rodney that he has only one question for him...in 27 parts.

Anyway, moving right along...

Nexus changes

  • Picard never wanted a family. It should have been him being back in France for Christmas with Rene his brother and sister in law.
  • Get rid of the "you can go anywhere, anytime line". It makes the captain of the flagship look like a moron he could have went back to 10 forward to lock Soren in the brig.
1. As someone said before, this occurred immediately after the loss of Robert and Rene, where he admitted to Troi that there would be no more Picards to carry on the family line. So it may not have been what he wanted before, but it was what he wanted right at the time.

2. Yes, this was an unfortunate, silly line that should have been changed, and that fact has already been remarked upon by many a reviewer.


The attack sequence
This has always bothered me, the flagship is taken down by a 20 year old BOP mere minutes after they discussed how absurd an idea that was ON SCREEN :rolleyes:
"but but they had the shield frequency's"...the enterprise D also has, according to Memory Alpha:

  • 12 Phaser Banks
  • 3 Torpedo Launchers with a stockpile of 250 photon torpedo s.


It can also reach warp 9.9, the highest a BOP has gone on screen was 9.8 and that was a modern one.

So the Enterprise can outrun and outgun the BOP, even with no shields, but Riker, a guy Starfleet offered the captains chair to three times and Worf, who hated the Duras instead:

1. Waffle on and on about plasma coils while the ship is hit again and again and again the warp core or weapons systems could have been disabled or destroyed while they were rambling on about plasma coils.

2. Fire ONE phaser burst

3. Fire torpedos only after they are sure the BOPs shields are down, we've never seen that before in a battle, with 250 torpedos against a 20 year old BOP they would have easily been able to punch through the shields.


I think, since the point was to end the enterprise D, thus the ship had to be destroyed anyway, it was an insult to the ship to be destroyed by a BOP even if the BOP had some way of taking out the weapons with the data they got from the Visor spycam.

Why? Because this ship has gone up against Borg ships (capable of destroying planets) and survived with barely a scratch.


So I propose the following changes:

The Duras have acquired a Neg'Var class battleship instead, the size and imposing presence of this is a worthy enemy for the Enterprise...No battle footage from the very last movie (that was absolutely unforgivable laziness) is reused.

What you may not have been aware of is that the early draft of the script called for the Duras sisters to have exactly what you describe: a powerful battlecruiser equal to the Enterprise. The reason why it was changed to the BoP was because they expressly wanted to reuse the scene of the BoP exploding from STVI to save money on VFX. It was felt that fans wouldn't have recognized that it was the same shot.:rolleyes:

I also have one other gripe but many of you may see it as a ripoff of the end of STIV but I think it would have been more of a homage....and it may be a little fanwankish but I think it could be polished up to make it work.

I felt the E was introduced very flippantly (and shown first time at a really bad angle as well). Either at the start of FC or the end of Generations we should have seen the crew getting a look at it for the first time.
Maybe a throwaway line at the end of Generations that an existing new class of ship currently being built will be renamed the enterprise E and at the end of the movie you see the crew coming back on the rescue ship, passing it under construction in the spacedock in orbit.

First of all, there was little time and no budget between the end of TNG and Generations to construct an all-new starship model. They didn't even have enough money in the budget for ILM to completely renovate the Nebula class Farragut model for movie-quality portrayal (they could only renovate half the model; the side that faced the camera).

Second, no one in their right mind would have spent money (even if they had it, which they didn't) to build an all-new film-quality starship model just to show it for five seconds at the end of the movie. If Generations hadn't been popular enough for them to continue to make TNG films, the model would have been a huge and complete waste of money.
 
Give Data the helm! Even if he was singing and cussing on the bridge he was trying to help level the ship's decent before Troi completed her log entry. He should have had it the whole time.
 
Picard never wanted a family. It should have been him being back in France for Christmas with Rene his brother and sister in law.

But it was fresh in his mind that time was passing and that he was the last of the Picards, especially shortly after thinking that he had a long-lost son. It made sense that, as a result, he would fantasize about having a family at that point in time.

Thats a good point I hadn't thought of it that way.

The reason why it was changed to the BoP was because they expressly wanted to reuse the scene of the BoP exploding from STVI to save money on VFX. It was felt that fans wouldn't have recognized that it was the same shot.

Plinkett said in one of his reviews "THEY THINK YOUR IDIOTS" and seems he was right, I've heard a lot of excuses for bad decisions being based on "the fans would get confused" or "would not understand"
BS like "we cant have the dominion in a movie they're a DS9 villan and its a TNG movie people will be confused":rolleyes:



Second, no one in their right mind would have spent money (even if they had it, which they didn't) to build an all-new film-quality starship model just to show it for five seconds at the end of the movie.

...and use it in the next few movies? Which they paid for and built anyway?
 
The series of changes I would make to Star Trek: Generations

* The DS9 and VOY commbadges need to go. I know the producers wanted to make it look cinematic but this isn't DS9 or VOY. It's still TNG (in a way). Keep it that way. Well, I guess the uniforms can stay. They don't look too bad on the TNG cast and extras.

* Troi keeps her Season 7 hair. Her hair looked so much better in Season 7 than it did in Generations... or at least loose the bangs!

* If the "Oh, sh*t" line was given to Troi instead! I know Data had the emotion chip and it made more sence for Data to say it, but Troi is the more emotional type so it would'nt hurt if she said that. It would've sounded more interesting, or for me at least.

* That they left the deleted scenes in the movie! On YouTube I saw interesting clips of Beverly hauling patients out of Sickbay telling people about going into a turbolift or something like that, and others when Worf threw Data the palm beacon, and Data helped Troi back into the conn.

* I don't know if that light was coming from the ribbon thing in space, but the lightening in Ten Forward looked weird. The Ready Room was like that because of the ribbon but normal lighting as in the show for both places would've looked better.

That's all I can think of for now...

edit--
* And according to the novel version of Star Trek Generations, after the crash, Troi rushed to Riker, thinking he was dead and he surprised her by saying, "I'm just enjoying the view".
That should've been in the movie too. It would've been more dramatic and romantic
 
The amber lighting was because they were near the Amargosa star; it had nothing to do with the ribbon AFAIK.
 
The comm badges were designed for the movie and reused in the two series not the other way round.

There's a section in The Art of Star Trek were John Eaves discusses designing them including designs of both comm badges and a miss step where he started designing a TOS style communicator.
 
Remember that with this movie there were a lot of constraints on what they could do and what plot elements they had to include. Taking all of that into account, the movie turned out reasonably well.
 
Second, no one in their right mind would have spent money (even if they had it, which they didn't) to build an all-new film-quality starship model just to show it for five seconds at the end of the movie.

...and use it in the next few movies? Which they paid for and built anyway?

You conveniently left out the rest of my quote, where I state that if there wasn't going to be any more movies then they would have been screwed by building an expensive model for no reason. That's why we didn't see the Titan at the end of Nemesis; there was no reason to build it (even as a CGI model) if it obviously wasn't going to be used anywhere else other than the last five seconds of the film.

The didn't build the Enterprise-E at the end of Generations. They built it during post-production on First Contact. There's a huge difference there. If they had built the model at the end of the first movie as you suggest, it would have been sitting around doing nothing for two to three years before being filmed for FC. Anything could have happened to the model in that time. It could have been damaged, stolen, etc.
 
The two changes I would make to Star Trek: Generations

1. Ditch the Nexus concept.
2. Ditch the passing of the torch angle from TOS to TNG (The Undiscovered Country did it much better anyway) and simply have it an all-TNG movie.

Second, no one in their right mind would have spent money (even if they had it, which they didn't) to build an all-new film-quality starship model just to show it for five seconds at the end of the movie.

...and use it in the next few movies? Which they paid for and built anyway?

You conveniently left out the rest of my quote, where I state that if there wasn't going to be any more movies then they would have been screwed by building an expensive model for no reason. That's why we didn't see the Titan at the end of Nemesis; there was no reason to build it (even as a CGI model) if it obviously wasn't going to be used anywhere else other than the last five seconds of the film.

The didn't build the Enterprise-E at the end of Generations. They built it during post-production on First Contact. There's a huge difference there. If they had built the model at the end of the first movie as you suggest, it would have been sitting around doing nothing for two to three years before being filmed for FC. Anything could have happened to the model in that time. It could have been damaged, stolen, etc.
Yep. ILM didn't know if they were going to have to build a new model or not for the Enterprise-E, so they did this to an existing model they had after production wrapped on Generations (just in case):
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/98/Enterprise-E,_galaxy_class.jpg
 
Give Data the helm! Even if he was singing and cussing on the bridge he was trying to help level the ship's decent before Troi completed her log entry. He should have had it the whole time.

would it have much difference?

Riker's command was for full impulse once the saucer section was clear so it probably wouldn't have much difference.

With Data at ops he can still try and re-route power quicker etc than anyone else after the damage caused by the star drive section exploding.
 
If GENERATIONS had to have Kirk, then it should have been based on the NG"Yesterday's Enterprise" episode. Kirk aboard the launch of the 1701-B, but is not lost in the nexus. Instead the 1701-B goes through some temporal warp and encounters the future 1701-D. Picard and Kirk must figure out how to return to 1701-B back in time while being hampered by (insert antagonists here).:vulcan: Kirk should not have been killed off, but instead returned with the 1701-B crew as we end the movie with the 1701-D being lost while defending the 1701-B departure into a temporal rift. 1701-D Picard and crew survive to get their 1701-E assignments.
 
If GENERATIONS had to have Kirk, then it should have been based on the NG"Yesterday's Enterprise" episode. Kirk aboard the launch of the 1701-B, but is not lost in the nexus. Instead the 1701-B goes through some temporal warp and encounters the future 1701-D. Picard and Kirk must figure out how to return to 1701-B back in time while being hampered by (insert antagonists here).:vulcan: Kirk should not have been killed off, but instead returned with the 1701-B crew as we end the movie with the 1701-D being lost while defending the 1701-B departure into a temporal rift. 1701-D Picard and crew survive to get their 1701-E assignments.

So basically you want a movie that Trek fans for years afterward would call a complete rip-off of a TNG episode, with little to no originality from the episode it was blatantly stealing from? Generations was bad, but it wasn't that bad.
 
So basically you want a movie that Trek fans for years afterward would call a complete rip-off of a TNG episode, with little to no originality from the episode it was blatantly stealing from? Generations was bad, but it wasn't that bad.

Right. Besides, taking the plot from an already-produced television episode was already done in TMP. ;)
 
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