As I recall, Okuda didn't name them himself, but it was a term coined by other members of the production (John Dwyer IIRC) in reference to the various panels and labels Okuda put around the set. IMO, it's no more "narcissistic" or "egocentric" than Matt Jefferies and the Jeffries Tubes.
The truth behind Andy Probert's departure from STTNG
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As I recall, Okuda didn't name them himself, but it was a term coined by other members of the production (John Dwyer IIRC) in reference to the various panels and labels Okuda put around the set. IMO, it's no more "narcissistic" or "egocentric" than Matt Jefferies and the Jeffries Tubes.
treknician1701
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Nope, Mike himself named them, and referred to them constantly in that form, and they were even put into the script-writing like that as well.
It seems you're more interested in starting shit or trying to make people look bad than getting the truth. All three (Mike Okuda, Rick Sternbach and Probert) are members here and could answer these questions via Private Message.
I seriously doubt that he will answer that.
I'd say in most lines o work, the younger guns coming through will always have a different outlook than those more senior guys at the end of their careers.
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With all due respect to Mr. Probert, both Rich Sternbach and Mike Okuda are members here as well, and this board has rules about referring to other members like this.
Too, Treknician, your record and the controversy around it hardly leaves you in any position to be leveling such claims against anyone.
More importantly, I fail to see how you could know jack shit about Braga, as you were long gone before he was anybody important on the series, if we are to believe your tall tales.
Having rewatched the TNG documentaries recently these gave me the impression that one of the best things Berman ever did was to put Michael Piller (RIP) in charge.
I really think that TNG's improvement after Season Two is largely owed to Michael Piller.
I noticed a remark here that made Rick Berman and Brannon Braga look like a conjoined twin and I think that is not the case. Once a VOY actor told me an anecdote he had gotten from Braga, i.e. Berman supposedly telling Braga at a big production staff meeting "Look at all these people. And they are all working for me."
Assuming this anecdote is true, it would tell me that Braga himself didn't feel that this was the right kind of attitude towards your employees or the show.
Bob
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I'd agree that in general most accounts we get in documentaries and the like is way too much "we're one big family" Hollywood crap. Having been there your yourself, you are probably very well aware of that. Part of "professional courtesy" on the other hand is to refrain from statements at the expense of your former colleagues. As for myself I simply look at how Andrew Probert's legacy had been handled after his departure to form my own opinion.
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treknician1701
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Robert, you are SO correct in that position, and I agree, most of the people, publically will be all sweet and nice, but since all people concerned are no longer "in the biz", I was hoping for a little more truthful accounting.
Trekker, anyone can write an "article", doesn't make it true!
Trekker, anyone can write an "article", doesn't make it true!
Agreed, just as anyone can write an unsubstantiated post, doesn't make it true!
doubleohfive
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Agreed, just as anyone can write an unsubstantiated post, doesn't make it true!
Until the folks themselves feel it's necessary to reveal these rumored conflicts as genuine, I suggest we just treat them as they are now: mere rumors. There's no sense in spreading rumors because some fan has an odd grudge against Okuda just because someone dubbed the graphics as "Okudagrams". It's like how Robert Comsol earlier suggested that Sternbach might have redesigned the Enterprise-C for "Yesterday's Enterprise" to spite Probert or something.
I guess some folks just love drama.
I guess some folks just love drama.
Where and when did I suggest that? This is what I actually wrote in the closed Enterprise-C thread:"According to the official explanation, those materials were no longer available during the pre-production of “Yesterday’s Enterprise” and because of time and budget restraints a different version had to be built by Greg Jein as a VFX model which then made it into this episode.
The designer of the “new” Enterprise-C, Rick Sternbach, never expressed or hinted any desire to excise Andrew Probert’s design from Star Trek canon with malice aforethought, so couldn’t or shouldn’t this have been an invitation to explore possibilities of co-existence of two different designs for the Enterprise-C and come up with an imaginative rationalization?"
Bob
Indeed. Some people even make a whole online career out of making fraudulent claims and telling tall-tales about themselves and others. It's really quite sad.
The Okudas are some of the greatest minds that worked behind the scenes on Trek. I don't doubt a single thing they've ever said.
treknician1701
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I had never claimed this to be FACT! Rumors are ALWAYS flying in Hollywood, and on the internet. I just wanted some authority to come in and say what is the truth. I'm NOT stirring up "shit" as was stated, I only want to get beyond all the "Feel good" comments, and get to real facts!
That is all!
That is all!
doubleohfive
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It seems rather a strange objective, no matter how you go about doing it.
What makes you think the real facts would be here? Outside of the three gentlemen I listed above, no other member of the board worked in a behind-the-scenes capacity as far as I know.
So what exactly were you hoping to accomplish here?
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