The fleet construction should happen in orbit. It doesn't have to be "above" San Francisco to be named after the city.
The took "Constructed at San Francisco Fleet Yards" too literally?
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Maybe just a teaser maybe not. So freaking what?? We saw parts of the hull being welded somewhere. Draw your own conclusions. Oh wait....
First off, I'm open minded about the entire situation. I just find it funny how someone can be Ok with the entire recasting of a beloved cast of characters, then go ape crap over how the Enterprise was built. Maybe it just makes more sense to build it on the ground, and do the final construction in space, instead of having to worry about all the risks and complications that could easily arise in such an unforgiving environment. And no offense, but if the ship can't handle the stress of being assembled under gravitational forces, it really has no business in space; A little warp field stress, a random anomaly or orbiting a little too close to a planet and that thing's space debris.
The guy in the Trek XI teaser welding the hull has been asked to to return for filming a scene which will be in the movie.
^^ With all the things unknown about this movie that detail we know?!?!?
There was an interview with the guy shortly after the teaser was released where he revealed that.
My apoligies, just looked the interview up and I got things a bit wrong. The guy says he has been asked back to be in the movie, but in a different role.
http://www.trektoday.com/news/220108_02.shtml
http://www.trektoday.com/news/220108_02.shtml
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
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I appreciate the thought, CRA, but as I don't have my copies of ST:TMP handy could somebody please confirm my recollection before we both end up looking like prize chumps? The phrase in question appears near the end of the chapter featuring the NCC-1701 Refit's departure from drydock, as the bridge crew watches the complex recede on the viewscreen after Kirk orders warp point five.
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With the sincerest gratitude to a poster who would prefer not to be identified, I now present the relevant extract:
"Behind them was the breathtaking panorama of the old orbital drydock of San Francisco - but that installation was rapidly receding in size now, and Earth's huge dark sphere began to dominate the center image as it showed a last sliver of atmosphere halo from the now-hidden sun." - Page 92 of Star Trek: The Motion Picture by Gene Roddenberry (Simon & Schuster, 1979 - 1st Printing).
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Yeah, that would probably suck to be in the movie's teaser but then not actually be in the movie itself.
Someone else had posted the teaser for Spider-Man involving the Twin Towers. "If memory serves", that whole sequence was going to be in the movie itself, but after 9/11, it was removed and the Twin Towers were erased from every shot that they appeared in. I could be wrong on that, but I remember reading that somewhere leading up to the movie's release.
It's true, though I don't know if it was actually meant to be in the final film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Foz_QZW3w
The sequence was never intended to be in the final film. I mean it's great for a teaser but it's ridiculous, Spider-Man can pull a helicopter straight back from a mile away and string them in a web large enough to span the towers hundreds of feet in the air from any potential law enforcement. Please.
Who actually wrote Roddenberry's TMP novelization, anyway? Alan Dean Foster is one name that's been mentioned.
To answer the OP, I think people are taking the space dock scene in TMP too literally. That scene and the TV show Enterprise are the only places were ever saw a ship in a dock like that, and the only time we ever saw construction in a spacedock was on Enterprise
We don't have enough eveidence to extropolate from that scene that Starships are built in space dock, especially since no Star Trek TV show or movie has ever stated that starships are built in space (and in fact, for what its worth, Commodore Robert April said in TMS that he saw the component parts of the Enterprise being built on Earth).
...and not to confuse the issue, but we don't even know if the Enterprise's 18 month re-fit was done in that spacedock we saw in TMP...that is only an assumption (although I believe the re-fit done in spce, but not necessarily in that particular dock).
We don't have enough eveidence to extropolate from that scene that Starships are built in space dock, especially since no Star Trek TV show or movie has ever stated that starships are built in space (and in fact, for what its worth, Commodore Robert April said in TMS that he saw the component parts of the Enterprise being built on Earth).
...and not to confuse the issue, but we don't even know if the Enterprise's 18 month re-fit was done in that spacedock we saw in TMP...that is only an assumption (although I believe the re-fit done in spce, but not necessarily in that particular dock).
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Is it just me, or has the ST Team continually screwed up Canon repeatedly. This is yet another example of that. Don't get me wrong, I am excited about the film, but I think this is the last attempt to make it viable again.
Okay, I have a stupid question.
Is there ANYTHING in the teaser that concretely places the scene on Earth? Why are we assuming that is what we're seeing?
Could this not be on the surface of the moon, Mars, etc. as long as there is a habital (man-made) environment for the workers? Would this not also allow for better freedom of movement than environmental suits in space? (I'm not speaking of canon, just of what may have been intended in the teaser)
Shoot me down if I'm crazy....
Is there ANYTHING in the teaser that concretely places the scene on Earth? Why are we assuming that is what we're seeing?
Could this not be on the surface of the moon, Mars, etc. as long as there is a habital (man-made) environment for the workers? Would this not also allow for better freedom of movement than environmental suits in space? (I'm not speaking of canon, just of what may have been intended in the teaser)
Shoot me down if I'm crazy....
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Gene Roddenberry wrote it. It practically screams "first-time novelist with a history in screenwriting who is also incredibly horny and juvenile." The endless, endless sex would've been enough to mark it as being uniquely Roddenberry (offhand, I can remember Kirk thinking about how sexy his wife was, comments on how Deltan sex was so fantastic it made lesser mortals lose all control of their minds, Spock listening to people having sex in the bowls of the ship, Kirk becoming physically aroused by the Ilia probe in the shower, and Decker, at considerable risk to his sanity, screwing the brains out of the Ilia probe), and the tendency to write something that would be a special effect in a long stream of italics which completely obviates any actual sense of emphasis from the type, just to underscore how truly majestic it is confirm it. That wouldn't have been uncommon in the stage directions of a script, but it's quite clunky in prose.
The Alan Dean Foster attribution is the result of two things. A foreign translation of the book (either french or german, I can't remember precisely) accidentally credited him as the author and not the screenwriter, and Foster ghostwrote the Star Wars novelization under George Lucas's name.
Passages of it in fact do, and that's reason enough to accept that he had a heavy editorial hand in the thing and probably contributed (possibly dictated) long rambling passages. That he was the writer who gave it structure and whipped it into publishable narrative shape is extraordinarily unlikely - there's either a ghost-writer (again, often suggested to be Foster) or an undefatiguably dedicated copy editor somewhere out there who'd doubtless be entitled to co-authorial credit (if he or she would want it).
Plecostomus
Commodore
Yes it's just you. We're creating new canon here. The studio decides what is canon. They can ignore the body of fanwork and do whatever they want because they are the ones in charge.
Actually it's attitudes like yours that determine if the product will be viable again. Remember, THEY decide what is canon and not, and they have no responsibility to include any fanwork no matter how well accepted or high-quality it is.
Keep an open mind. As I said, we're creating new canon here. Boldly going where no one has gone before and all that.