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The Time War

Kaziarl

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When did the Time War happen?

I'm watching The Three Doctors, and the Time Lords seem to be very much alive and well and just sent a previous doctor to help the current doctor.

Now, I havent seen much of classic Who, so I had thought the Time Lords had been locked away as they were in the 2005 series. So what am I missing?

Also, which classic Who episodes etc should I watch? I'm open to recommendations.
 
It was after the tv movie in the and before the new series the time war was set. They were alive for the whole of classic who.
 
It lends an air of mystery and sadness to the current version of Who. And leaves it open to a wide reange of interpretation.

Assuming you're just watching it for the first time, I won't spoiler it, but when the Doctor talks about it at one point, and the weapons used, you just have to go, "Wow!"
 
I've seen all of the current series, from 2005 onward. I'm just now getting into classic who though.
 
Old Who can be campy, cringe worthy, but is always a guilty pleasure and worth the time to watch.

Ive been catching up on 3rd and 4th doctor lately. Its rather good.
 
Certain actions taken in the original series have been retroactively confirmed by RTD to be 'leading' to the Time war. He wrote some essay about it.

Mainly, the events in the Davros serials(Genesis of the Daleks to Rememberance of the Daleks). Also the Doctor's trip to Skaro, mentioned in the TV movie, is said to involve a treaty and some events from the WHO expanded Universe are alluded to as well.
 
So we never actually got to see it then? Ok, that's fair enough.

Just as we never saw the Eighth Doctor's regeneration into the Ninth, the Time War (and the regeneration) have been left deliberately unchronicled in order to allow the writers to fill in bits and pieces of backstory as they go along. Not counting the novels and audios (there's an entire Big Finish audio drama series set on Gallifrey featuring Romana and Leela from the original series) the last time we saw the Time Lords at full power, so to speak, was The Trial of a Time Lord, a 14-episode behemoth of a storyline from 1986. This featured the Sixth Doctor, so well before any time war.

However ... Russell T Davies has stated that he considers certain events seen in the classic series as "opening volleys" in the Time War - the spacey-wacey equivalent of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. The one that comes to mind is Genesis of the Daleks from 1975 in which the Fourth Doctor is assigned by the Time Lords to commit genocide and wipe out the Daleks before they're even created. (This storyline also set the scene for RTD establishing later that the Time Lords, as a whole, were not exactly an admirable people.)

EDIT: I need to type faster - Whofan beat me to it! ;)

Old Who can be campy, cringe worthy, but is always a guilty pleasure and worth the time to watch.

It's only campy if one measures quality based upon special effects alone. Doctor Who has always been about the characters. Something a lot of today's SFX-heavy sci-fi seems to have forgotten. As far as I'm concerned classic Doctor Who could have been performed with actors standing on an empty stage with a black backdrop. (Actually, on a few occasions, this actually happened - see the end of The War Games.) The performances and the writing are key - screw the special effects. I believe a guy named Roddenberry ascribed to the same philosophy.

Alex
 
Here's the talked about essay.

"Meet The Doctor" © Russell T Davies

When the Doctor came to Earth – to track down the Nestene Consciousness and its plastic servants, the Autons – he had no intention of finding a human companion. He’d had fellow travellers alongside him before, of course, and most of them human. His favourite species! But that was in the old days, when the universe seemed young and fresh and more inclined to friendly gestures.

The universe, since then, had changed. At least for the Doctor.

There had been a War, the Great Time War between the Daleks and the Time Lords. There had been two Time Wars before this – the skirmish between the Halldons and the Eternals, and then the brutal slaughter of the Omnicraven Uprising – and on both occasions, the Doctor’s people had stepped in to settle the matter. The Time Lords had a policy of non-interference in the affairs of the universe, but on a higher level, in affairs of the Time Vortex, they assumed discreetly the role of protectors. They were the self-appointed keepers of the peace. Until forced to fight.

Now, the story of the Great (and final) Time War is hard to piece together, because so little survived. Certainly, both had been testing each others strength for many, many years. The Daleks had threatened the Time Lord High Council before, by trying to replace its members with Dalek duplicates. And one of the Dalek Puppet Emperors had openly declared his hostility. Though perhaps the Daleks’ wrath was justifiable – they had been provoked! At one point in their history, the Time Lords had actually sent the Doctor back in time, to prevent the creation of the Daleks. An act of genocide! The Time Lords fired the first shot – though in their defence, they took this course of action because they had foreseen a time when the Daleks would overrun all civilized life and become the dominant life-form in the universe.

Some tried to find a peaceful solution. While it’s hard to find precise records of these events, it’s said that under the Act of Master Restitution, President Romana opened a peace treaty with the Daleks. Others claim that the Etra Prime Incident began the escalation of events. But whatever the cause – and its almost certain that the full story has yet to be uncovered – the terrible War began. The Time Lords reached back into their own history, to assemble a fleet of Bowships, Black Hole Carriers and N-Forms; the Daleks unleashed the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth, and launched an awesome fleet into the Vortex, led by the Emperor himself.

The War raged, but for most species in the universe, life continued as normal. The War was fought in the Vortex, and beyond that, in the Ultimate Void, beyond the eyes and ears of ordinary creatures. The Lesser Species lived in ignorance. If a planet found its history subtle changing – perhaps distorting and rewriting itself under the pressures of the rupturing Vortex – then its people were part of that change, and perceived nothing to be wrong. Only the Higher Species – those further up the evolutionary ladder – saw what was happening. The Forest of Cheem gazed upon the bloodshed, and wept. The Nestene Consciousness lost all of its planets, and found itself mutating under temporal stress. The Greater Animus perished and its Carsenome Walls fell into dust. And it is said that the Eternals themselves watched, and despaired of this reality, and fled their hallowed halls, never to be seen again…

Years passed, as the mighty armies clashed. And then, silence. No one knows exactly what happened in the final battle. And no one knows how it came to end. All that is known is that one man strode from the wreckage, one man walked free from the ruins of Gallifrey and Skaro. The Time Lord called the Doctor. And his hearts were heavy as he boarded his ship once more, and took to the skies, to escape everything he had just seen; everything he had just done…

He is alone and thinks, somehow, that he deserves this. And as he wanders on, he decides that no one should stand beside him. He’s got no room, on board his TARDIS. He is a traveler, and needs no other.

But then he finds himself in the cellar of a London shop at closing time, and he grabs the hand of an Earthling called Rose Tyler, and looks into her eyes, and all those resolutions go out of the window! The journey goes on, with a human at his side, and who knows where it will end…

And far away, across the universe, on the planet Crafe Tec Heydra, one side of a mountain carries carvings and hieroglyphs, crude representations of an invisible War. The artwork shows two races clashing, one metal, one flesh; a fearsome explosion; and a solitary survivor walking from the wreckage. Solitary? Perhaps not. Under this figure, a phrase has been scratched in the stone, which translates as: you are not alone…

:cool:
 
Wow, thats cool, but makes me want to know even more, lol. But at least I know I haven't missed an event from the show.

Now what about classic who? I watched The Three Doctors the other day. Any suggestions on which I should watch next? I can't seem to find them on netflix by season, or I'd just start at the very beginning.
 
^ Exactly what I've been saying for years now. Yeah I believe this was included in the 2005 or 2006 Doctor Who Annual. I bet no one paid too much attention to it yet until after we actually started seeing the episodes and the Time War was mentioned. Unless of course this came out after series one...lol.
 
I'd love to see a trilogy of films about the Time War staring Paul McGann & Christopher Eccleston! But I know it will never happen...and maybe for the best - it's probably unfilmable.

I suppose if they didn't wan't McGann, they could retcon a "lost regeneration", lol...
 
Old Who can be campy, cringe worthy, but is always a guilty pleasure and worth the time to watch.

I agree. Luckily nuWho has never had anything camp or cringeworthy...like, say, the TARDIS towing the Earth, and melodramatic Coronation Street and Eastenders-style soap opera antics. We are fortunate indeed that nuWho has avoided these things.:p ;)

Ive been catching up on 3rd and 4th doctor lately. Its rather good.

It sure is. :)
 
I'd love to see a trilogy of films about the Time War staring Paul McGann & Christopher Eccleston! But I know it will never happen...and maybe for the best - it's probably unfilmable.

I suppose if they didn't wan't McGann, they could retcon a "lost regeneration", lol...


Is McGann still doing the Audio series? If so, couldn't they try and lead into the Time War from that route?
 
Better to avoid seeing the whole last great time war on screen, no matter what they do they could never do it justice and it would dissapoiint. Better to leave it to the imagination.
 
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