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The Time Of The Doctor (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)

Grade "The Time Of The Doctor"

  • Geronimo!

    Votes: 64 30.5%
  • Fish Fingers and Custard

    Votes: 84 40.0%
  • Average

    Votes: 36 17.1%
  • Not Good

    Votes: 21 10.0%
  • Beans are evil. Bad bad beans! |

    Votes: 5 2.4%

  • Total voters
    210
  • Poll closed .
Yeah, but he also said, she has been fighting the psychopath inside her all her life, so she can do it again now against the Dalek. That screams River to me, plus minor stuff like her being against aging, able to fly the TARDIS and a seemingly rich history with the Doctor.

Hmm good points. Well whether she was intended to be River or not, it's good in it's own way - if a bit sudden - to expand this Doctor's circle of close friends at least a little more.
 
Yeah, but he also said, she has been fighting the psychopath inside her all her life, so she can do it again now against the Dalek. That screams River to me, plus minor stuff like her being against aging, able to fly the TARDIS and a seemingly rich history with the Doctor.

Hmm good points. Well whether she was intended to be River or not, it's good in it's own way - if a bit sudden - to expand this Doctor's circle of close friends at least a little more.
I'm happy he's got more people to meet. With Amy, River, and Rory overlapping anywhere in time and space, the Doctor's universe was starting to feel pretty small.
 
I'm so tired of Moffat. I can't wait for him to be replaced. As such, I won't be watching Doctor Who again until he is.

If I had a penny everytime someone said that...
You'd have a lot of pennies. Where's the folks who've enjoyed both RTD and Moffat's tenures?

I have loved both. Beats the crap out of most of the other rubbish on TV.

Rtd was a bit spangly and camp at times and Moffat tends to be a bit smug and overly clever, but both have produced some great TV sci fi, and almost universally above average TV sci fi.

IMHO of course!
 
If I had a penny everytime someone said that...
You'd have a lot of pennies. Where's the folks who've enjoyed both RTD and Moffat's tenures?

I have loved both. Beats the crap out of most of the other rubbish on TV.

Rtd was a bit spangly and camp at times and Moffat tends to be a bit smug and overly clever, but both have produced some great TV sci fi, and almost universally above average TV sci fi.

IMHO of course!
They've both kept me coming back. I liked RTD's making the Doctor's relationships with his companions more emotional and intimate than the old series usually did. And while it could be over done, I have enjoyed the companions lives being filled out more with family and friends whom the Doctor interacts with. Both have made great use of that more often than not.
 
I'm so tired of Moffat. I can't wait for him to be replaced. As such, I won't be watching Doctor Who again until he is.

If I had a penny everytime someone said that...
You'd have a lot of pennies. Where's the folks who've enjoyed both RTD and Moffat's tenures?

*raises hand*
Though the main storylines of the 3 seasons of multiple enemies coming together to get rid of the Doctor became a bit tiresome...
 
If I had a penny everytime someone said that...
You'd have a lot of pennies. Where's the folks who've enjoyed both RTD and Moffat's tenures?

*raises hand*
Though the main storylines of the 3 seasons of multiple enemies coming together to get rid of the Doctor became a bit tiresome...
Maybe next time they can focus on the Christmas party with the Doctor and Clara using the excuse of checking the turkey to go off and deal with the gang of usual suspects in brief end moments then coming back in with clothes and hair changed and yet another wacky story for the party?
 
^ The Seventh Doctor was dying of old age also. Before his abrupt murder by heart probe at the hands of Dr. Grace Holloway.
Hahahaha.... That death was stupid.

Was there any indication how long the 7th Doctor had lived prior to falling victim of a second rate cardiologist?

Been a long time since I saw the TV movie but I recall that in the opening narrative, there's a line along the lines of 'I was coming towards the end of my 7th incarnation.' No years specified, though.

I took that to be foreshadowing more than any indication of old age (essentially, he was saying that he was about to die and regenerate).

But he wiped out all the bad guys in the area at the end so it was - if it wasn't safe, does that mean that he left the people in Christmas to die?

And if just leaving makes it safe, why didn't he leave at the start?

Actually, the Timelords closed the crack to make it possible for the Doctor to fight of the Daleks and live when they send through the regeneration energy.

But the problem is there is nothing in the episode that states they can't simply reopen the crack after he has killed the Daleks.

There's nothing in the episode that states they can simply reopen the crack. Given that they didn't, my money is on the idea that they can't.
 
I'll be quite disappointed if Capaldi's first episode doesn't deal with the continuation of the Trenzalore standoff.

Do you seriously think Moffat would leave something like that hanging? I mean that would be like if "The Day of the Doctor" made no reference to Clara's jump into The Doctor's timeline and didn't bother to explain how Clara and The Doctor got out of there. :devil:

If I were writing the first episode, it wouldn't have anything to do with "The Time of the Doctor". It would be a standalone story set on present day Earth, where Clara has to defeat aliens while dragging along a less-than-helpful post-generation Doctor.

That's a good idea. Maybe the Doctor could sleep through 2/3rds of the episode to get better... oh wait! :rofl:

Hopefully, Clara just gives him some tea off the bat. Super-heated infusion of free-radicals and tannins, just the thing for healing the synapses.

So why doesn't the doctor just say "it is not a safe location" and they leave?

The problem with the episode as presented is that there is a missing bit of dialogue where it is explained why they can't happen.

Personally, I figure he had chats with the Time Lords over the years, filling them in on everything they missed. Especially in the years after Handles malfunctioned.


Yeah, but he also said, she has been fighting the psychopath inside her all her life, so she can do it again now against the Dalek. That screams River to me, plus minor stuff like her being against aging, able to fly the TARDIS and a seemingly rich history with the Doctor.

Yeah, but he also said, she has been fighting the psychopath inside her all her life, so she can do it again now against the Dalek. That screams River to me, plus minor stuff like her being against aging, able to fly the TARDIS and a seemingly rich history with the Doctor.

I'm forced to agree. I was getting River vibes from her throughout the whole episode, especially during the psychopath line.

Maybe River's consciousness in the Library somehow becomes the Papal Mainframe or something...somewhere down the road.

Although this does become contradicted by Tesha's surprise at his "new" body.

I still say Tasha Lem is the love child of Jack and River.

I'm so tired of Moffat. I can't wait for him to be replaced. As such, I won't be watching Doctor Who again until he is.

If I had a penny everytime someone said that...
You'd have a lot of pennies. Where's the folks who've enjoyed both RTD and Moffat's tenures?

I love them both. Yes, they've both had their weaknesses and cliches, but that's part of what makes me love them so much.

That being said, I do believe, overall, Moffat was a better writer, episode-wise, when he wrote while RTD was at the helm. When the next showrunner comes, I do hope Moffat, unlike RTD, writes episodes for them.

Was there any indication how long the 7th Doctor had lived prior to falling victim of a second rate cardiologist?

Been a long time since I saw the TV movie but I recall that in the opening narrative, there's a line along the lines of 'I was coming towards the end of my 7th incarnation.' No years specified, though.

I took that to be foreshadowing more than any indication of old age (essentially, he was saying that he was about to die and regenerate).

Especially since McGann is narrating, which would make it all past-tense. He'd know that his seventh incarnation was nearing its end in the streets of San Francisco.
 
I'm so tired of Moffat. I can't wait for him to be replaced. As such, I won't be watching Doctor Who again until he is.

If I had a penny everytime someone said that...

I genuinely stopped watching in S6, though of course I watched the 50th which I thought was brilliant. For me, the TotD was a microcosm of everything wrong with his era, though I do kind of like the regeneration scene isolated.
 
I think both had great stories and both had dud stories. The main problem with Moff's tenure, IMO, is that he can write great eps, but can't sustain it over multiple series, and as someone said before, he's a bit smug. And as I've said before, I think he's struggling with producing/writing both Who and Sherlock.
 
Good episode, nice send off. Not the blast I was expecting. I think I prefer the end of Time regeneration. EOT milked it way too much but Smith's change was too fast at the end.

I think we all knew the silence had blown up the tardis. But how?

Time is once again rewritten like everything else these days. Time machines now do their job and to hell with paradoxes etc.

Sherlock is only six hours every two years... :wtf:
On top of Doctor Who, Christmas specials and the 50th anniversary. Writing Sherlock isn't a walk in a park. If it were it wouldn't be such a fantastic series.
 
So why doesn't the doctor just say "it is not a safe location" and they leave?

The problem with the episode as presented is that there is a missing bit of dialogue where it is explained why they can't happen.

Apparently the Doctor just didn't think of it, just like he didn't think of just trying to open that wood door in Day of the Doctor. It took Clara trying the obvious in both cases, just opening the door and talking to the crack.

Mr Awe
 
If I were writing the first episode, it wouldn't have anything to do with "The Time of the Doctor". It would be a standalone story set on present day Earth, where Clara has to defeat aliens while dragging along a less-than-helpful post-generation Doctor.

Nah, they've done regenerations before where the Doctor starts out and isn't so helpful for one reason or another and they never work out so well . . . Castrovalva, Tennant's before he wakes up, etc.

No, for a new Doctor, most viewers just want to see him spring into action so we know what to expect from the new guy.

Mr Awe
 
I thought Spearhead from Space worked out great.

I've never seen Robot, so I can't comment on that one. I haven't a clue what Troughton was like in Power of the Daleks. Might be a great episode for all I know.
 
Well, I just saw TTOTD.

I liked it, actually more than TDOTD. It was a nice send-off for the 11th(or 12th), but wish they'd gone more into how he got the new set of regenerations. It's rather a big addition to the story, and they kind of gloss over it. Loved the comedy bits about the holographic nudity at the beginning. I'm excited to see where they go with Capaldi.
 
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