The Tholian Web

[ZapBrannigan]

Back to the Defiant's registry:

Prior to TOS-R establishing Defiant as NCC-1764, what, if any, number did fans (or whoever) assign to the lost starship?

I got NCC-1764 from the first mass-market edition of The Star Trek Concordance (1976). It was in agreement with Greg Jein's 1973 fanzine article on NCC numbers. Decades later, some elements of the Jein list were retcon-canonized by "In a Mirror Darkly" and TOS-R.

I think the only other vintage source of NCC numbers was Franz Joseph's Book of General Plans and Star Fleet Technical Manual. His list didn't match up with Jein, and in any case Joseph somehow omitted the Defiant. He lists a ship called the Defiance in the Manual, but I'm not home right now and can't recall offhand what its number was.

 

[Ithekro]

FASA also used NCC-1764 for USS Defiant.

Ships of the Star Fleet however uses NCC-1717 for USS Defiant. Franz Joseph's number for USS Defiance.

 

[Timo]

SotSF in general tries to fight back the deluge of Constitution class starships or their near-sisters that threatens to invalidate Kirk's pride over his "only a dozen like her" command. But merging the Defiant with the Defiance isn't the way I would have preferred, had it been up to me somehow...

Having the registry of the Defiant be rather significantly higher than the ones for the "proper" Constitutions (typically interpreted strictly sequentially in fan sources) is actually a welcome thing, as it allows us to treat the design seen in ENT as distinct from Kirk's specific model. Perhaps only that "later batch" had aft torpedoes like that, engineering corridors like that, etc?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Marsden]

What do you guys think of the original and remastered appearance of the Tholian starship?

As I pointed out upthread, I like what TOS-R did with the Enterprise and the web, but I disliked what they did with the Tholian ships and the Defiant's disappearance. So, it was kind of a mixed bag.

+1

But, I want to amend that to Hated the Tholian Ships. They were much better in the original, the shiny chrome with no stupid "details"

 

[johnnybear]

Was Commander Loskene the same in the newer version or did they tinker with him as well?
JB

 

[Marsden]

I didn't see any difference.

 

[Maurice]

They didn't touch Loskene.

 

[Wingsley]

Commander Loskene's voice is that of Barbara Babcock (Trelane's mother in "The Squire of Gothos", also Mea 3 in "A Taste of Armageddon", both the snobbish Beta Five computer and the feline Isis in "Assignment Earth", Parmen's wife Philana in "Plato's Stepchildren", and the voice of "The Lights of Zetar"). Loskene's visual effect looks the same, except clearer in high-def.