The Tholian Web ??

[Nero's Shadow]

I've been watching TOS again on Blu ray so i thought I'd start on season 3 and I was watching the Tholian web I had some questions that might need answering.??

1. What was the mission of the starship defiant ?? Was it a covert mission into Tholian space ?? Or were they testing new engine systems on there starship ??

2. Why did the landing party where space suits ? In other episodes they just beamed aboard, example of this was in the doomsday machine that starship was more damaged so I never understood why we could have seen the suits sooner ??

Any answers guys ???

 

[F. King Daniel]

According to Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly", the Defiant was responding to a fake Tholian distress signal.

 

[Navigator_NCC2120]

1. What was the mission of the starship defiant ?? Was it a covert mission into Tholian space ?? Or were they testing new engine systems on there starship ??

Courtesy of http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/64.htm website:

The Tholian Web

Captain's log, stardate 5693.2. The Enterprise is approaching the last reported position of the star ship Defiant, which vanished without trace three weeks ago. We are in unsurveyed territory.

Most likely, the Defiant was on a survey mission.

2. Why did the landing party where space suits ? In other episodes they just beamed aboard, example of this was in the doomsday machine that starship was more damaged so I never understood why we could have seen the suits sooner ??

Courtesy of http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/64.htm website:

The Tholian Web

[Bridge]

CHEKOV: Captain. Visual detection of an object dead ahead.
KIRK: How about it, Spock?
SPOCK: Fascinating.
KIRK: Explain.
SPOCK: There is virtually no sensor contact. No mass analysis. No trace of radiation. We see it, but our sensors indicate it is not there.
(As they close in, the bright fuzzy thing on the screen becomes recognizable.)
KIRK: The Defiant! Mister Sulu, impulse engines only. Close to transporter range.

The landing party wore environment suits as a precaution because the Enterprise's sensors indicated the Defiant was not there.


Navigator NCC-2120 USS Entente
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[Knight Templar]

^Agreed.

The Enterprise had solid sensor reading about the environmental conditions aboard the Constellation in "the Doomsday Machine". But no such readings on the Defiant.

 

[SchwEnt]

Quickly thinking then, I wonder how they were able to transport to the Defiant without any sensor readings.

How could they determine a deck aboard the Defiant if sensors couldn't read the ship? Was it beaming to a location solely based on visual measurements?

 

[Knight Templar]

Quickly thinking then, I wonder how they were able to transport to the Defiant without any sensor readings.

How could they determine a deck aboard the Defiant if sensors couldn't read the ship? Was it beaming to a location solely based on visual measurements?

That was probably exactly what they did, though beaming anywhere inside a ship in the OS era except to a transporter pad was considered dangerous.

In both "Mirror, Mirror" and "The Enterprise Incident" there were references to such beaming being dangerous.

In the case of the Defiant it helped that they knew the precise dimensions of the Defiant bridge.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

That was probably exactly what they did, though beaming anywhere inside a ship in the OS era except to a transporter pad was considered dangerous.

In both "Mirror, Mirror" and "The Enterprise Incident" there were references to such beaming being dangerous.

"Day of the Dove" also, if memory serves.

 

[Warped9]

According to Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly", the Defiant was responding to a fake Tholian distress signal.

Which means nothing because that didn't exist when "The Tholian Web" was written.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

I like "The Tholian Web." Good interplay among the cast as they deal with Kirk's apparent death. They get a real chance to carry the show without him, and they do it well.

 

[F. King Daniel]

According to Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly", the Defiant was responding to a fake Tholian distress signal.

Which means nothing because that didn't exist when "The Tholian Web" was written.

Only if you watch The Original Series in absolute isolation. As part of the greater Star Trek tapestry, the USS Defiant 100% was lured into the interphase by a false Tholian distress signal.

 

[Warped9]

According to Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly", the Defiant was responding to a fake Tholian distress signal.

Which means nothing because that didn't exist when "The Tholian Web" was written.

Only if you watch The Original Series in absolute isolation. As part of the greater Star Trek tapestry, the USS Defiant 100% was lured into the interphase by a false Tholian distress signal.

Still doesn't matter since I do discount anything from most of later Trek, particularly ENT and VOY which I think is mostly absolute garbage and irrelevant.

But this isn't the thread for that discussion which I've had more than enough times. Neither side will convince the other so why bother?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Which means nothing because that didn't exist when "The Tholian Web" was written.

Only if you watch The Original Series in absolute isolation. As part of the greater Star Trek tapestry, the USS Defiant 100% was lured into the interphase by a false Tholian distress signal.

Still doesn't matter since I do discount anything from most of later Trek, particularly ENT and VOY which I think is mostly absolute garbage and irrelevant.

But this isn't the thread for that discussion which I've had more than enough times. Neither side will convince the other so why bother?

Fine, agree to disagree - but I will point out that the OP (particularly with a name like Nero's Shadow) is probably a little more open to stuff retconned in to the TOS continuity.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

According to Enterprise's "In a Mirror, Darkly", the Defiant was responding to a fake Tholian distress signal.

Most likely, the Defiant was on a survey mission.

And, it's worth pointing at that the Defiant may have been on a survey mission, when it was lured to respond to a fake Tholian distress signal. It's not an either/or situation.

In a Mirror, Darkly, I & II are among the best ENT episodes, and great fun, so I cut them a lot of slack. I wouldn't say they're essential to appreciate either The Tholian Web or Mirror, Mirror - far from it. I think of IAMD1&2 as apocryphal and supplemental (even though they are of course canonical).

 

[Warped9]

Only if you watch The Original Series in absolute isolation. As part of the greater Star Trek tapestry, the USS Defiant 100% was lured into the interphase by a false Tholian distress signal.

Still doesn't matter since I do discount anything from most of later Trek, particularly ENT and VOY which I think is mostly absolute garbage and irrelevant.

But this isn't the thread for that discussion which I've had more than enough times. Neither side will convince the other so why bother?

Fine, agree to disagree - but I will point out that the OP (particularly with a name like Nero's Shadow) is probably a little more open to stuff retconned in to the TOS continuity.

And good for him.

 

[T'Girl]

In a Mirror, Darkly, I & II are among the best ENT episodes, and great fun, so I cut them a lot of slack.

Maybe like the animated series, not well loved, but the episode Yesteryear is fantastic.

 

[CaptPapa]

Which means nothing because that didn't exist when "The Tholian Web" was written.

Only if you watch The Original Series in absolute isolation. As part of the greater Star Trek tapestry, the USS Defiant 100% was lured into the interphase by a false Tholian distress signal.

Still doesn't matter since I do discount anything from most of later Trek, particularly ENT and VOY which I think is mostly absolute garbage and irrelevant.

But this isn't the thread for that discussion which I've had more than enough times. Neither side will convince the other so why bother?

Hmmm . . . A kindred spirit!