The Suspected Dead
- Thread starter Joe Washington
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Yes, the flashsideways are clearly intended to be taking place in 2004...but is it really 2004, or have the Losties just been affected in a way that makes them think it's 2004? Have they been sent back in time? Have their lives been reset? Are the flashsideways real, or has somebody (MiB?) just fucked with their memories?
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that the flashsideways are taking place AFTER the events in 2007, but I'm just not sure how or why.
Those years happened. The FS Losties don't remember them. Their memories have been replaced by new memories of a past that never occurred.
For the FS to be in the future from where we are now, the whole world must have forgotten the "famous" Flight 815. If the whole world's memories have changed, then the main characters' memories would have changed too.
That's the only thing I can think of that keeps the FS in the same universe, same timeline, like the producers are claiming.
The wildest part of this is the existence of people like Jack's son, that can't be written off as changed memories. But in Lost anything is possible. The kid just blipped into existence out of the clear blue sky.
How do you know the FS Flight 815 is the same as the original Flight 815? Desmond was on the former and not on the latter. That could be a changed timeline, or it could be a very similar event repeating years later.
Exactly! Even Claire's ultrasound date doesn't prove anything. If memories have changed and people blip into existence, the calendar can change as well. (However, if the producers had never stated the current FS year at all, I'd be more sure of this theory - the fact that they stated the year implies that they've thought of this theory and that's not what they're doing.)
The main argument for it is that it avoids the problem of the audience not accepting the validity of the FS storyline because "those aren't the real characters." We expect there to be two sets of characters and it would be a surprise to most people to find out that was never the case. The Lost writers have been pretty good at twisting their plotlines this way and that, but generally hitting on whatever approach makes emotional sense to the audience - the story feels right even when it makes no logical sense.
I like Temis' line of reasoning. It actually explains alot. I wonder why Shannon wasn't on the plane? Maybe she stayed as Jacob?
What's the "Invisible jumpjet theory"? As someone who has only been around these boards for a couple of years I've seen it mentioned a couple of times, but never expanded upon.
What's the "Invisible jumpjet theory"? As someone who has only been around these boards for a couple of years I've seen it mentioned a couple of times, but never expanded upon.
I can't recall all the details, but before we knew it was a smoke monster, Temis was a proponent of a theory that all its violent actions (tearing apart trees and pilots) were people tooling around in invisible flying backpack rockets. Or something.
Of course, you can't really blame her, as that's when the writers were promising that everything could be explained with real science.
Of course, you can't really blame her, as that's when the writers were promising that everything could be explained with real science.
Checkmate
Commodore
Not to be rude, but that whole thing is a really dumb theory.
It's much more likely that something is going to happen where one or more of the main characters will have to make a decision to stay with things as is, or jump back to the convenient 'dent' in time they created when they detonated the nuke (using Desmond to do it, no doubt). Possibly with some means to kill Smokey or whatever other last minute deus ex machina they throw at us. This, in turn, will change the timeline to a point that we see in the flash sideways.
No one said the flash sideways are occurring simultaneously.
As for Desmond, those changes took place long before Flight 815. Which means Desmond didn't get shipwrecked and didn't get suckered into pushing a button. So he very well could have ended up on the flight.
Anyway, all of this allows both storylines to be 100% accurate and 100% existing in the same universe. It also explains why Juliet said 'it worked,' and explains why the bomb did, in fact, help create the flash sideways. It didn't do itself; it simply allowed the window with which the change will occur in the finale.
You mean the flashsideways is Jacob's loophole?
I'll put my money on Ben - sacrificing himself for the others and redeeming himself in the one go.
Checkmate
Commodore
It's going to end up being the whole Schrodinger's cat thing, I think, which is no surprise considering how writers love referencing it these days. Both realities do currently "exist" because neither one has been negated/erased yet. It's not until the "box" is opened (ie, the finale where someone has to decide which reality to go with) that we learn which one stays and which ones goes.
It's the only thing that really makes any sense at this point.
Certainly more so than weird conspiracy theories where everyone's memories are erased and someone goes and sets all the clocks back three-four years.
It's the only thing that really makes any sense at this point.
Certainly more so than weird conspiracy theories where everyone's memories are erased and someone goes and sets all the clocks back three-four years.
For a few reasons, I really hope the writers avoid this cliche.
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